Forgotten Genocide

Ron in Regina

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I don’t know if Uyghurs are so much forgotten as ignored. Since 2014, the Chinese government has been accused by various organizations, such as Human Rights Watch of subjecting Uyghurs living in Xinjiang to widespread persecution, including forced sterilization and forced labor.

Scholars estimate that at least one million Uyghurs have been arbitrarily detained in the Xinjiang internment camps since 2017; Chinese government officials claim that these camps, created under CCP general secretary Xi Jinping's administration, serve the goals of ensuring adherence to Chinese Communist Party(CCP) ideology, preventing separatism, fighting terrorism, and providing vocational training to Uyghurs.

Various scholars, human rights organizations and governments consider abuses perpetrated against the Uyghurs to amount to crimes against humanity, or even genocide.

Then closer to home, Canada’s parliament passed a non-binding motion in Feb 2021 saying China’s treatment of the Uighur Muslim minority in the Xinjiang region constitutes genocide, putting pressure on Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government to follow suit.

Canada’s House of Commons voted 266-0 for the motion brought by the opposition Conservative Party. Trudeau and his Cabinet abstained from the vote, although Liberal backbenchers widely backed it.

(There’s 338 potential votes in Parliament meaning about 72 Core Liberals abstained)

Trudeau’s Conservative rivals have been pressuring him to get tougher on China but here we are. Oh well…

(Former U.S. President Donald Trump – on his last full day in office last month – said China had committed “genocide and crimes against humanity” by repressing Uighur Muslims but Trump’s a bastard so nothing to see here)

China has been widely condemned for setting up complexes in Xinjiang that it describes as “vocational training centers” to stamp out extremism and give people new skills, and which others have called concentration camps. Beijing denies accusations of abuses in Xinjiang.

Citing testimony, documents and media reports of human rights abuses against Uighurs, Conservative lawmaker Michael Chong said: “We can no longer ignore this. We must call it for what it is — a genocide.”

Trudeau has been reluctant to use the word genocide (unless it’s against Israel or Canada), suggesting that seeking broad consensus among Western allies on Chinese human rights issues would be the best approach.
 

Jinentonix

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The Western world put too many of its eggs in the Chinese basket, that's why it's "forgotten". For some reason the West thinks you can do business with a Marxist-Leninist regime, but only if there's a market of a billion people. Because they sure didn't feel that way about the USSR. And let's face it, we all know there's no shortage of Western corps that wouldn't have a problem using super-cheap forced labour in other countries if they can get away with it.

As for the Arab-muslims who are sooo concerned about "genocide", well, China is funding their extremist groups in their campaigns against Israel and US assets in the region. That and the Uyghurs ain't the Mid-East variety of muslims, sooo fuck 'em I guess.
 

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Of course you can do business with a Marxist-Leninist regime. You can do business with anybody as long as you don't expect them to play by Euro-American rules. We didn't do business with the USSR because they didn't have anything we wanted.
 
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Of course you can do business with a Marxist-Leninist regime. You can do business with anybody as long as you don't expect them to play by Euro-American rules. We didn't do business with the USSR because they didn't have anything we wanted.
Europe wanted their gas and oil because it was cheap. Also because the eurotrash thought they could shut down coal fired generators and run on 'cleaner' NG. Funny how principles fall by the wayside when it can save a buck or make you feel good.
 
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Europe wanted their gas and oil because it was cheap. Also because the eurotrash thought they could shut down coal fired generators and run on 'cleaner' NG. Funny how principles fall by the wayside when it can save a buck or make you feel good.
What principles would those be? Is there some "principle" that requires one to refrain from doing business with "Marxist-Leninist" countries?
 

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Of course you can do business with a Marxist-Leninist regime. You can do business with anybody as long as you don't expect them to play by Euro-American rules. We didn't do business with the USSR because they didn't have anything we wanted.
Yeah, they didn't have a marketplace of 1 billion people. That's it. That's the only reason. And yeah I guess you can do business with a Marxist-Leninist shit hole in the same sense you can bare-knuckle fight a grizzly bear. You can, but you'd have to be pretty stupid to do it. Ultimately it's not going to end well for you.
 
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What principles would those be? Is there some "principle" that requires one to refrain from doing business with "Marxist-Leninist" countries?
Yep. It's called the common sense principle. Something that is in seriously short supply right now. And ESPECIALLY when China is at war with the US. It might not be a shootin' war yet but it IS a war by proxy. The Mid-East. China is funding Iran, who is helping to fund groups like Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas and others. All of them except Hamas have attacked US assets in the region and/or international shipping in the Gulf of Aden. And ALL of them have attacked Israel, which is America's "buddy" in the Middle East.

Same thing with their bullshit in the South China Sea. If they can make America look weak and unable to defend the sea lanes that China continually threatens to take control of, they can hopefully get/force US-friendly nations in the area to turn to China instead.

Their aim is to make the US look like a weak, unreliable ally. First in China's sphere of influence, then farther into the Mid-East and then Europe. Although I'm sure Xinnie the Pooh doesn't really care in which order it happens.
 
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