For the NDPers thinking of voting Liberal.

[Reverend Blair]

RE: For the NDPers thinki

Actually, all he's doing is trolling, Vanni. He doesn't even know who Bob Rae was...likely wasn't out of diapers yet when Rae was premier of Ontario. Calberty has pulled similar shit in just about every thread on the NDP. I think it's because an idiot.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

You have a major Liberal politician calling your party leader an "asshole", comparing his wife to a dog, making fun of the Chinese and throws in a "gay" insult yet the Liberals will still get your support.

Then you wonder why the NDP will never win more than 30 seats. Even in their wildest dreams.

The Liberals have stolen your golden boy "Buzz".
The Liberals scare a vast portion of your voters into voting Liberal which directly affects how much money the NDP gets. ($1.70 per vote)
Prominant Liberal members call Layton an "asshole"
Others call the NDP radical left wingers etc.

There is no hope for you.

 

[Roy]

RE: For the NDPers thinki

I would say that the NDP will probably win around 20-24 seats this time round simply because the Liberals will not be able to "scare" socialists into voting Liberal as much as last time. This will most likely be the biggest breakthrough the NDP will see unless there is another election before 2008.

There is the "counter-the-Americans" attitude going in in Canada today and our politics are not immune to this. Its all about doing the exact opposite of Bush and the US, which I do understand seeing as how the current administration is a mess, to say the least.

But I belive that the economic powerhouses of this country ( Ontario, Alberta, Quebec, and BC) are not going to let the NDP get into office. Although many share the social views of the NDP, they do not share the economic views. Canadians want lower taxes (our income taxes are quite high when compared with other countries, and we are supposed to have a stabe economy, and balanced budgets), and a powerful economy, which can explain why the Liberals have stayed in power so long seeing as how they did a satisfactory job with the economy. But I see the Liberal Party currently as tired and old and they seem ripe for pickin......so long to Paul Martin and his dissapointing legacy.

 

[Calberty]

"The Liberals have stolen your golden boy "Buzz"."

Also, the major Unions in Quebec support the Bloc Quebecoise. The NDP is a sidekick to the Liberlas in Quebec.

Think about it. this is the 17th Fedral election and the NDP isn't going to do better that a third place vote in any and all of over 100 Quebec and Alberta ridings.

And, as you state, in the socialist wildest dreams they would welcome 30 seats...less than half what the third place party in the Federal Parliament will receive. 17 elections and they come in a distant fourth in seats.

A vote for the NDP is a vote well wasted...again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again...on on to this the 17th time.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: For the NDPers thinki

Where did you read that the Liberals will get my support, Breakthrough? You didn't. I think it is well worth noting that the Conservatives are just as bad on this particular issue, maybe worse though.

You Conservatives deserve no political advantage from something that you too are guilty of. That your party is seeking such an advantage shows an inherent dishonesty.

Liberals and Conservatives alike have been saying all sorts of things about the NDP. There are examples on this very board of vicious, ill-informed, and hateful attacks on Svend Robinson by Conservatives and a piece of the some of the yellowest journalism in years by MacLean's and its neo-con editor.

The attacks aren't fair or productive no matter which party spews them, but it is the Conservatives here trying to make political hay with them. That's pretty much corrupt politicking.

The NDP, being better people than Liberals and Conservatives and having a wish to make Canada better instead of simply lining their own pockets, have said time and again that they'll try to work with whatever party wins the election.

Personally, I don't hold out much hope of anybody being able to work with the Conservatives. Harper has a well-earned reputation for being dictatorial and has been known to beat up on innocent chairs when he doesn't get his way. If, and it's a big if, the Conservatives come to power the NDP will work with them though, or at least try to. If, much more likely, the Liberals win another minority, then the NDP will work with them.

Politics isn't the zero-sum game you think it is. If you try to play it that way, you'll lose again.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I would say that the NDP will probably win around 20-24 seats this time round simply because the Liberals will not be able to "scare" socialists into voting Liberal as much as last time. This will most likely be the biggest breakthrough the NDP will see unless there is another election before 2008.

If Harper wins, we could well have two elections in 2006. I still have the NDP sitting at around 30 seats though. The Liberals aren't going to be able to scare up as many votes and the NDP will take some from the Conservatives on the other side.

Also, there seems to be a growing realisation that, as scary as Harper is, he won't be able to do anything scary because he is incapable of forming a majority government and will most likely need the support of two other parties to pass legislation.

 

[Calberty]

Re: RE: For the NDPers thinki

But I belive that the economic powerhouses of this country ( Ontario, Alberta, Quebec, and BC) are not going to let the NDP get into office. Although many share the social views of the NDP, they do not share the economic views.

That's 'the people'. True. Ontarionians stil have a bad taste when Bob Rae and the NDP were a fiasco. The NDP still couldn't rise above 15% in the Ontario provincial election.

The NDP is 'dead' in Quebec and Alberta. In the last election the came fourth in 24 ridings in Alberta and Quebec and no better than third in any others.

A vote for the NDP is a waste.

 

[Nascar_James]

To those in Montreal who are switching over from the Liberal Party to the Conservative Party of Canada in order to protest the legalization of gay marriage, I say hat's off to you. Here are a couple of links for those who live within the boundaries of the Justice Minister's riding in Montreal...

http://www.canada.com/national/features/decisioncanada/ridings/riding_profile.html?riding=24044

http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/riding/076/

The CPC candidate to vote for in his riding would be Neil Drabkin. A vote against the Justice Minister is a vote against gay marriage.

 

[Roy]

If Harper wins, we could well have two elections in 2006. I still have the NDP sitting at around 30 seats though. The Liberals aren't going to be able to scare up as many votes and the NDP will take some from the Conservatives on the other side.

I don't think that if the CPC wins there will be another election so soon seeing as how this current election was much sooner than Canadians wanted. I think that if the CPC wins then they will probably be able to work with the Liberals and therefore be able to stay in power for hopefully a least a couple of years. I think it is a good thing that the CPC will be in a minority, although I hope for a larger one.

 

[Roy]

Re: RE: For the NDPers thinki

That's 'the people'. True. Ontarionians stil have a bad taste when Bob Rae and the NDP were a fiasco. The NDP still couldn't rise above 15% in the Ontario provincial election.

The NDP is 'dead' in Quebec and Alberta. In the last election the came fourth in 24 ridings in Alberta and Quebec and no better than third in any others.

A vote for the NDP is a waste.

yes the NDP are pretty low in the major provinces which is understandable. Only in BC do the NDP have a chance of doing anything major, with the activist people in Vancouver voting socialist. Other than that I stick to my prediction that the NDP will win around 22-25 seats, mostly in BC and maybe a few more in Ontario.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: For the NDPers thinki

I don't think the CPC and the Liberals will work together. There's a lot of very bad blood there now, and the LPC and CPC have been trying to distance themselves from each other.

 

[Roy]

RE: For the NDPers thinki

hmmm....I guess you have a point there, it will be very interesting nonetheless

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: For the NDPers thinki

It will be interesting to see what happens if the Conservatives win a small minority. If they don't have the confidence of the house the Liberals and NDP could conceivably form a coalition government.

 

[Colpy]

I think you are correct on all points above, Rev.

The CPC and the Liberals have a visceral hatred for each other, one I share. I would vote NDP long before I would vote Liberal, and NDP ideology is the antithesis of most of my political philosophy.

If the CPC wins a minority, they will have trouble holding on. I could easily see a Liberal-NDP coalition, which might hold together for a couple of years.

Layton would be destroying the party though.

All this is good reason to give the Conservatives a MAJORITY government.

It is time.

If they screw it up too bad, you can always vote the Liberals in again in 4 or 5 years. But they NEED a trip to the political woodshed, or their arrogance, their corruption, and their belief in their own infalibility will only grow.

 

[Finder]

How about anybody thinking of voting NDP?

BOB RAE 8O 8O 8O

I am voting NDP for sure. :twisted:

 

[the caracal kid]

"All this is good reason to give the Conservatives a MAJORITY government. "

I think the cons need another 50 years of banishment for the MulRUINy days.

 

[Finder]

n/m

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: For the NDPers thinking of voting Liberal.

"All this is good reason to give the Conservatives a MAJORITY government. "

I think the cons need another 50 years of banishment for the MulRUINy days.

You know, it is frustrating.

If you talk about how moderate the CPC is, all those who vote left pile on, claiming the Reform/CA took over the old PC party and have turned it into the NSDAP.

If you talk about the CPC deserving electoral success because they have no record of corruption in government, all those who vote left pile on, claiming the CPC is Mulrooney's old party, and should be in the political wilderness forever and ever. Amen.

Mulrooney was a moderate (a Liberal in a blue suit), and the Reform Party (of which I was a member) was formed by those people who disliked him and his policies.

The two situations above are mutually exclusive.

Please, make up your minds.

 

[the caracal kid]

Mulroney is still involved with the Cons.

As for making up one's mind:
The reformers were bad news, period.
The old PC's were somewhat progressive,but still carried the right-wing ideology to the detriment of the country.
The new CPC = Reform + the conservative aspects of the PC party.
In other words, what little good there was in the PC's (and i admit there was some good to the old party) was tossed because it was too liberal to fit with the Reform agenda.

edit:
when i was but a wee lad, i liked the PC's. Mulroney was the first PM i really knew of. Trudeau as a legacy i heard of but that was it. But then as i grew I also GREW A CONSCIENCE and could no longer support the ideologies of the conservatives.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: For the NDPers thinking of voting Liberal.

"All this is good reason to give the Conservatives a MAJORITY government. "

I think the cons need another 50 years of banishment for the MulRUINy days.

You know, it is frustrating.

If you talk about how moderate the CPC is, all those who vote left pile on, claiming the Reform/CA took over the old PC party and have turned it into the NSDAP.

If you talk about the CPC deserving electoral success because they have no record of corruption in government, all those who vote left pile on, claiming the CPC is Mulrooney's old party, and should be in the political wilderness forever and ever. Amen.

Mulrooney was a moderate (a Liberal in a blue suit), and the Reform Party (of which I was a member) was formed by those people who disliked him and his policies.

The two situations above are mutually exclusive.

Please, make up your minds.

Well lets put it this way. Nobody likes the Liberals. They lie cheat and steal from the people. The Liberals are disliked from left to right, but Harper and the CPC is seen in such a negitive light, that there politics are so nut bar that Harper can't even beat Paul Martin in the polls yet. What does Martin have to do, shoot someone for Harper to be seen as a better choice. Even then I think Harpers politics and the CPC will be seen by most Canadians as just too right wing, and too fiscally irrisponcible.