Finally our future can match our past - a self governing nation with a global horizon

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After more than three years of delay and obstruction, Parliament has finally obeyed the referendum result of 2016 and passed the law taking us out of the European Union.

Next Friday at 11 pm, whether or not Big Ben strikes the hour, we shall leave the organisation we joined – after even longer delay and obstruction (then by the French President General de Gaulle) – in 1973...

ROBERT TOMBS: Finally our future can match our past - a self governing island nation with a global horizon


By Robert Tombs For The Mail On Sunday
26 January 2020



After more than three years of delay and obstruction, Parliament has finally obeyed the referendum result of 2016 and passed the law taking us out of the European Union.

Next Friday at 11 pm, whether or not Big Ben strikes the hour, we shall leave the organisation we joined – after even longer delay and obstruction (then by the French President General de Gaulle) – in 1973.

It is not so long ago in historical terms. Many Mail on Sunday readers will remember it.


Brexit: Political stability and economic confidence have been boosted since the General Election, according to Robert Tombs


But much has changed. Then Britain was on the ropes. Our economy, and even our society, seemed in decline, weakened by strikes and scandals.

But the European Common Market, forerunner of the EU, was booming.

A Government pamphlet showed a girl in a skimpy Union Jack bikini proclaiming: 'EUROPE IS FUN! More work but more play too!' We were, said a No 10 adviser, 'the sinking Titanic'. Europe, we were told, was our lifeboat. Joining it would save us from ourselves.

And now? Europe is floundering. France is riven by endless strikes and demonstrations. Southern Europe is stuck in economic stagnation, disastrous youth unemployment and a continuing crisis of migration. Extremist parties are mushrooming.

The EU seeks to take ever more power, which it is incapable of using effectively. On the international stage, it is negligible.

Whereas Britain, having at last come through the self-imposed chaos of the past three years, has seen political stability restored by a General Election and economic confidence boosted.


Leaving the EU: Every family will save more than £1,000 a year when we depart from the EU

We are now set to take back full control of our laws, our money and our borders. After a few months of transition, we shall no longer be subject to EU laws and courts.

For many of us, this is justification in itself. It is a matter of democratic principle. Sovereignty belongs to the United Kingdom and its people. It will no longer be 'pooled' or 'shared' and handed over to unelected commissions and unaccountable courts.

For many of us, self-government is the very core of what it is to be British, giving meaning to our long history.

But we must face the fact that many of our fellow citizens do not take this view.

They don't seem too bothered about democracy or independence. They think that Europe benefits them economically and they insist on being told exactly what we shall gain by leaving.

The real answer is that we shall gain everything that democracy offers – accountability, flexibility, the power to get rid of failing governments and the right to make whatever choices we think are best for us. But let's answer them in their own narrow cash terms: 'What's in it for me?'

Most obviously, we shall first reduce and finally end our huge financial contributions to the EU, which average £500 for every family in Britain every year.

But this is not all. The Common Agricultural Policy raises food prices by about £100 a year for every family.

The EU also imposes import tariffs to raise the price of goods from the rest of the world. This costs every family up to £750 a year on average.

So we are already looking at savings of well over £1,000 a year per family.

This is only a start. The end of 'free movement', which in practice means treating people as a cheap commodity, will raise wages, encourage investment in training and productivity, ease the strain on our housing supply and infrastructure and cut the benefits bill.

Government figures estimate payments to European immigrants at £1.6 billion a year.

If we sensibly cut back on EU regulations – not a 'race to the bottom', just a sensible reform of red tape – the EU's own estimates and the experience of other countries suggest we could save £20 billion to £30 billion a year in business costs.

And we have our huge fishing resources, taken away and 'shared' as the price of joining the Common Market, which are worth hundreds of millions of pounds a year and can revitalise some of our most neglected regions.

Then we have the chance to improve trading relations with other parts of the world.



Apologists for the EU say it is our biggest market so we must remain closely tied to its regulations.

It is true that the EU, as a whole, is our largest market – though it accounts for well below half of our exports. But we are not abandoning that market. We shall have access to it, just as China and the US do.

But what must be realised is that for 20 years the EU has been getting steadily less important to us, and the rest of the world more so.

Our trading future is global, and that is where we are more successful even now.


Speaking out: Robert Tombs said Brexit offered 'a huge opportunity' for the future of the UK

Much is said about 'frictionless trade' with the EU. But that creates friction with the rest of the world. If we aim instead at 'frictionless trade' with dynamic economies around the world, we stand to increase our prosperity by tens of billions of pounds every year.

Not only is the EU less important, but the way it is set up does not work well for our economy. We have a huge trade deficit with the EU.

Our manufacturing industry, supposed to benefit from the single market, has declined over the past 20 years.

Our exports to markets outside the EU have increased 13 times faster over the past ten years than those to the EU. In short, with its slow growth and over-regulation, Europe has been holding us back for years. Its leaders do not hide their fear that we shall do better once we have left, thus showing up their economic failures.

We have had a series of narrow escapes. Had the electorate been frightened by 'Project Fear' in 2016, we would have thrown away our chance of national independence – perhaps our last chance.

Had obstructiveness and scare tactics over the past three years succeeded in reversing the Leave vote, or fixing us into a 'Brexit in Name Only' deal, we would have shown that we were no longer brave enough to govern ourselves.

We would have bound ourselves to a declining empire. We would have made ourselves a global laughing stock. Only a few percent of votes made the difference. Those who were frightened by predictions of economic disaster still have to be convinced and reassured that as a country we have done the right thing.


Signing out: Boris Johnson puts his pen to the official European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) which Tombs believes offers a major opportunity


Boris Johnson and his Government have a huge opportunity and responsibility.

They are leading us out of a strange episode in our history. For the first time ever, we joined – without quite realising what we were doing – a utopian experiment to create a 'Europe' aimed to replace the nation states and make itself into a superstate.

We joined because those who then ruled us had lost confidence in themselves and in this country ('the sinking Titanic'). They persuaded us we had no choice. Some still repeat the same refrain.

But that time is past, and it is the people, not the politicians, who have decided it. Within the EU, the political and business elites, who are barely accountable to the people, make decisions.

Democratic votes – in Ireland, the Netherlands, France, Italy and Greece – have been repeatedly ignored in the name of the great European project. But here, however narrowly, the British people made their decision and refused to be ignored.

Our future now matches our past. A self-governing island nation with a global horizon.

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How did "Blow a Boche and Batter His Balls for Big Ben" or whateverthefox you're calling it work out?

If you wish to converse with me please do so in the linguistic medium required to communicate with the members of this networked disputation colloquium - namely, English.

I do rather hope you're able to adequately converse in the Anglo-Saxon vernacular. If the converse is true, then you should not be inhabiting the United States of America. It is rather a strong belief of mine that one must learn the local vernacular if one wishes to reside in an overseas nation state.
 

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If you wish to converse with me please do so in the linguistic medium required to communicate with the members of this networked disputation colloquium - namely, English.

I do rather hope you're able to adequately converse in the Anglo-Saxon vernacular. If the converse is true, then you should not be inhabiting the United States of America. It is rather a strong belief of mine that one must learn the local vernacular if one wishes to reside in an overseas nation state.




LMFAO!!!




So you're of the opinion then that everyone in the US should be speaking regional dialects of Native American??


My Gods... I think I'm gonna have a heart attack.
 

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LMFAO!!!
So you're of the opinion then that everyone in the US should be speaking regional dialects of Native American??
My Gods... I think I'm gonna have a heart attack.

No, I think everyone living in the US and everyone living in the UK should speak English, including all immigrants, of course.

Either Tecumseh's Boner should be forced to learn English or he should be deported back to his own country.
 

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No, I think everyone living in the US and everyone living in the UK should speak English, including all immigrants, of course.

Either Tecumseh's Boner should be forced to learn English or he should be deported back to his own country.


But that's not what you said.


" It is rather a strong belief of mine that one must learn the local vernacular if one wishes to reside in an overseas nation state."


That's what you said.


According to that belief, all Europeans who came over to North American should have learned the local dialects of Native American and those languages should be the language of North America.


Why the hell would people in the US learn English? It's a foreign language.



TB is in his own country, it's the rest of us Whitey types that are the 'outsiders'.
 

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Why the hell would people in the US learn English?

Because it's the language the vast majority of Americans speak. Would you go and live and work in Burma without being able to speak Burmese?
TB is in his own country, it's the rest of us Whitey types that are the 'outsiders'.

So when are you going to frig off back to your own country?

I share a sentiment with you, though: I'm a native person of the United Kingdom and I don't like all these foreigners living here.
 

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Because it's the language the vast majority of Americans speak. Would you go and live and work in Burma without being able to speak Burmese?


According to you, it shouldn't have been. It should have been Native American.


If I went to Burma, I'd work to learn Burmese.



So when are you going to frig off back to your own country?


I recognize that Canada was not always a Eruopean Colony and there were peoples here beforehand that have rights to the lands we're now on. But I also believe that after so many generations, where you are 'from' in your history doesn't negate your country of residence in the present. So though my ancestors came from the UK and Ireland most likely, I'm Canadian and this is my Country.
 

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According to you, it shouldn't have been. It should have been Native American.

I said if Tecumseh's Boner can't be bothered to learn and/or communicate in English, then he should not be living in the United States and instead be sent back to his own country.
 

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JACOB REES-MOGG: Now we can shine a bright sunbeam of certainty to end the long night of doubt

By JACOB REES-MOGG LEADER OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
26 January 2020

The moment of national renewal has come. While spring is yet to sweep the chill from the air, fresh shoots of rejuvenation and regeneration are piercing through the cold earth.

The electorate, the British people, the most patient and forbearing in the world, will finally have their decisiveness rewarded and, thanks to the General Election result, we will have got Brexit done.

By unleashing a reviving wave of blue MPs to rehydrate the parched soil, the British people have set the scene for the biggest restoration of vitality and viridity* to our land in generations.


Fresh-faced MPs line the green benches, determined that the new Parliament will be a better Parliament – a people’s Parliament focused on delivering on their priorities (file photo)

In Parliament, the thunderstorm has been blown away, calm has been restored and the serious job of legislating has recommenced. In both houses, scrutiny and debate have returned to the fore.

In the Commons, fresh-faced MPs line the green benches, determined that the new Parliament will be a better Parliament – a people’s Parliament focused on delivering on their priorities.

This comprehensive Conservative majority has allowed the Prime Minister’s deal with the European Union finally to pass all stages in Parliament and become law, getting Brexit done and shining through a bright sunbeam of certainty to end the long night of doubt.

With the deal done and the agreement in place, we will leave the EU in five days’ time. Independence restored, the Government will focus on unleashing the potential of this country.

It will be a Government acutely attuned to the will of the people. For that is the sine qua non* of our departure: Members of Parliament chosen by the people will decide the laws of the land. Those directly accountable representatives will have taken back control.

We will be free to chart our own course and we are reclaiming mastery of our policy decisions, from agriculture to trade, foreign policy to fisheries, employment law to immigration.


Under our Prime Minister, our police force is gaining an extra 20,000 recruits and powers to stop and search more effectively so we can begin to clamp down on the scourge of knife crime


In the Boris Johnson era, we are embarking on the biggest rail modernisation since Victorian times with £48 billion dedicated to delivering rail projects (file photo - artist's HS2 impression)

We can embark on this new age with confidence and excitement. Over two millenniums since mighty Augustus quelled the unrest and strife in ancient Rome and brought in a new golden age, our auriferous* Prime Minister is bringing in a new era of revitalisation to our nation.

These two great leaders sought unity where there had been division; they saw the importance of a public-supported police force and they recognised the power of infrastructure to bring great economic and social returns.

Under our Prime Minister, our police force is gaining an extra 20,000 recruits and powers to stop and search more effectively so we can begin to clamp down on the scourge of knife crime.

In the Boris Johnson era, we are embarking on the biggest rail modernisation since Victorian times. With £48 billion dedicated to delivering rail projects such as the new high-speed line between Manchester and Leeds and electrifying hundreds of miles of track, people across the country will be closer to each other than ever before.

We are investing in the future of talented workers with our ambitious plans for a dynamic, outward-looking economy. Outside the EU, our trade policies will be forged with the best interests of UK businesses in mind.

Glossary of Moggisms

*Viridity - the quality or state of being green

*Sine qua non - essential condition (from the Latin 'without which not')

*Auriferous - containing gold

*Fulgurate - flash (like lightning)


At the forefront of our thoughts will be the tech sector. Britain has an illustrious history of technological development – from penicillin to the lawn mower, the World Wide Web to the light bulb, the steam train to the toothbrush. In the years ahead, we will deepen and broaden that remarkable record. The trail we have blazed in the past will continue to fulgurate* into the future.

National confidence in the years ahead can be drawn from the distinction of this island’s story and from the recognition of the strength of the new position.

The UK has one of the most flexible, agile and entrepreneurial workforces in the world. The capital city raises trillions of pounds of capital in every currency invented. English is the global language, the lingua franca of this age, that flows through boardrooms around the world.

By raising GDP still higher, taxpayers can support those public services on which people rely. The Conservatives are delivering the biggest cash boost in history to the NHS, with an additional £33.9 billion in frontline services every year by 2024, the largest and longest funding settlement in the history of the health service.

It will provide 40 new hospitals, 6,000 extra doctors and 50,000 more nurses. Tomorrow, we will vote to enshrine this commitment to the NHS in law, safeguarding it for future generations.

It is a new chapter in Parliament and a new chapter for the country. In July, the Prime Minister memorably encapsulated his pitch with the late 19th Century Americanism ‘dude.’ He promised to Deliver Brexit, Unite our nation, Defeat Jeremy Corbyn and Energise the country.

Corbyn is defeated. Brexit is on the cusp of being delivered. The stage is set for the nation to come back together. Energy exudes from every pore of this Government. It will not just be a year, but a decade of renewal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...t-sunbeam-certainty-end-long-night-doubt.html
 
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I said if Tecumseh's Boner can't be bothered to learn and/or communicate in English, then he should not be living in the United States and instead be sent back to his own country.


Except, IIRC... TB's country IS the US...?


As for the rest of us Eruo-decendents... again, we should be talking Native American of some kind, not English.

According to you.
 

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No, I think everyone living in the US and everyone living in the UK should speak English, including all immigrants, of course.

Either Tecumseh's Boner should be forced to learn English or he should be deported back to his own country.
I think you're missing the point. Tecumsehsbones is a Native to what is now called the USA. If he doesn't speak what you consider English the he should be deported from America to America? What you call English is a language highly influenced by hundreds (if not thousands) of years of immigration to its lands. When speaking, do you sound more like Chouser or Shakespear (?) and if you sound like neither should you yourself be deported from England and sent to......England?That's where this is going.
 

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Except, IIRC... TB's country IS the US...?
As for the rest of us Eruo-decendents... again, we should be talking Native American of some kind, not English.
According to you.

Are you sure he's from the US? He can't even speak English.

According to me, English is the medium required to converse with most people in the US.