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PoliticalNick

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Money-saving strategies
A: in the public sector:

1.Withdraw from NATO, NORAD,SEATO, and the OAS.
Whatever, not a huge amount of savings here except we we have to lead NATO forces as usual.
2. Reduce the UN's official languages from 6 to 5 by removing English and French and replacing them with an easy-to-learn language such as Esperanto. This would gradually reduce the translation and interpretation bureaucracy at the UN by at least 1/6, not to mention that the replacement of 2 difficult languages with an easy one would also reduce training costs for interpretors and translators slightly, not to mention cost savings from reduced confusion over mistranslations and misinterpretations.
Don't get the whole language point your trying to make...English is the most common in international business and most diplomats and businessmen speak it...get rid of the rest. We should however reduce our contributions to the UN on principle that they don't do much for us.

2. Try to renegotiate our membership to the Commonwealth of Nations and the Francophonie. Currently, they are inter-governmental organizations, thus requiring Canadian government membership in order for ordinary Canadians to participate. We could try to renegotiate membership so that they could participate in Canada as NGOs with funding coming strictly from the private sector. Failing that, we simply withdraw from those organizations or alternatively remain members as long as the private sector or provincial or local governments fund it. The moment others show no interest in funding it, then Canada withdraws.
Sure, I'd like to know what we spend on this but if it is for the benefit of the private sector let them pay for it.
3. Introduce an English-language passport and a French-language passport, and require all who are born as of one year after this policy is implemented to possess such a passport to enter Canadian space. Though this would not save money immediately, it would save money on our language-training programmes for immigrants later.
Don't get it. 1 comon Canadian passport is just fine. Will cost more to administer and will NOT save anything on ESL programs and such, that has to be done by changing immigration policy to require all immigrants be proficient in English or French before they get here.
4. Adopt the proposal by Scott Reid, MP, to replace official bilingualism with regional bilingualism. Not only would this save money, but it's also one of those few areas where at least some Conservatives and the Bloc are likely going to see eye to eye.
I could go for this.
5. Propose the gradual implementation of an international police force of a maximum of 100,000 well trained and equipped men, whose mandate would be to destroy governments that violate international law, the force itself being fully restrained by all applicable international laws of course. This pooling of resources would allow us and other participating countries to save money while still maintaining an effective fighting force. The savings would come from each country helping to fund a common force rather than each one having to maintain the redundancy of separate military forces each being independently funded.
This would not save us anything. Just stop trying to play 'world police' with the Yanks and defend our country at home. That would save us billions right away.
6. Promote, via international agreements, freer labour movement between international boundaries; and, in collaboration with provincial and foreign national ministries of education, common educational standards for various trades and professions. This would reduce the cost of having to provide assistance to an unemployed person who is willing to relocate abroad to where his skills might be in demand should there be no demand for his skills domestically.
Wrong again, all this would do is allow corporations to import cheap labour and put more Canadians out of work. Slow down or stop immigration until all Canadians have a job and you solve your social assistance issue.

7. Eliminate the long-gun registry.
Great, I'm in on this. Refuse to register anyway.

8. Eliminate public funding for political parties.
Great again! $1.95 per vote they get this time, pathetic, go raise money the old fashioned way.

7. Propose the sharing of a common currency. Ideally we'd want to share some new international currency with the US, seeing that the US is our most significant trading partner. Failing that, we could look at sharing the Euro. Either option would reduce the need for money brokers, thus reducing the burden of the middlemen in international trade, thus bringing down overhead costs in international trade,thus helping to bring costs down for consumers, thus helping to control inflation in the marketplace.
Not on your life. Wouldn't do it on principle of being closer tied to the US. Wouldn't reduce consumer cost anyway, companies would just keep the extra profits like always.


Now for my ideas:
1- Tie all government wages to the median income for Canada.

2- Remove 'gold-plated' pensions for elected officials. They can have a matching program like the rest of us and collect their CPP.

3- Remove all expense accounts from government employees and elected officials except for absolute neccesities.

4- Reduce government spending to 'essential' services only. Any extra programs could be funded by voluntary extra taxes.

5- Legalize marijuana. We currently spend over 250 million a year to prosecute and jail these offenders.

6- Remove all corporate donations and lobbyists from government. If you remove all corporate influence from government they won't make laws or repeal laws for the benefit of corporations.

Next are not so much cost-saving measures but revenue increasing.
1- Raise corporate taxation to 50% and taxes on the wealthy to 70% and close all tax havens and loopholes. US history shows this level of taxation actually generated the largest economic booms in the last 150 years whereas periods when these taxes were drastically reduced were immediatly followed by recession and depression.

2- Tax legalized marijuana. Current estimates are about 1-2 billion a year in new revenues if you just charged PST & GST or HST. Coupled with the savings noted above this is a gold mine.

I have a ton more I would do but this is a start.
 

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http://www.hce.education.fr/gallery_files/site/21/104.pdf

Unfortunately, the Report is available in French only. But I'll quote you a few tidbits:

"due to the current dominant position of the English language, the United Kingdom gains € 17-18 thousand million each year, which is more than three times the famous British rebate, or 1% of its GNP."

And he goes on to state that introducing Esperanto into the school systems of European countries could save the EU up to 25 thousand million Euros annually!

Does he explain why? I'm sorry but I can't really trust your translation when you have an obvious bias for something as ridiculous as Esperanto and you missed some important points from your next source.

http://www.springboard2languages.org/documents/springboard_rationale.pdf

There has been plenty of research demonstrating the propaedeutic benefits of Esperanto to the learning of other languages. Just to take one of many examples, a study in Italy in 1993 demonstrated that the prior learning of Esperanto before learning English accelerated English learning by 30%. This meant that a student learning Esperanto for one year followed by English for 3 years could achieve better results in English than one who'd learn English for four years, as counter-intuitive as it might seem at first glance.
It isn't counter-intuitive at all if you understand second language acquisition, which happens to be my major, and is hinted at in that article you read. Bilingual children are better at learning third languages than monolingual children are at learning second languages. When you learn a new language you developed specific second language learning skills. When you learn a third language, you don't need to learn those skills, because you already have them, and so can apply them immediately to your new language.

Obviously, learning Esperanto would improve you ability to learn a third language just as any second language would. And Esperanto is good for that because it was designed to be easy to learn (mostly for European language speakers). The problem is that learning Esperanto is a waste of time because nobody speaks it. These students might be better off learning a non-artificial language that people actually speak and then switching to English or whatever language.

Much of everything else you said is beside the point and just Esperanto evangelism, which is why I can't say I trust your objectivity on this.

But considering that proposing Esperanto as a replacement for English and French at the UN General Assembly was but one of many possibly cost cutting measures proposed in this thread, I really don't know why that had caught your attention so much.
What does it matter that I chose this proposal to talk about?
 

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But before we blame the politicians, let's ask ourselves who's voting them in?



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But if you look at the average ballot there is not a whole lot of choices. What you are doing in fact is voting by default- keeping the worst of the bastards out. :lol:
 

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Whatever, not a huge amount of savings here except we we have to lead NATO forces as usual.

Every red cent counts.

Don't get the whole language point your trying to make...English is the most common in international business and most diplomats and businessmen speak it...get rid of the rest. We should however reduce our contributions to the UN on principle that they don't do much for us.

The UN General Assembly alone spends about 12 million US dollars/year on interpretation costs alone between the six official languages. Reducing the number of official languages to as close as possible to 1, regardless of which official language, would certainly reduce costs. Reducing them to 1 official language would cut interpretation costs at the UN General Assembly at least to 0.00$. It really wouldn't matter what language you keep, and it's not like the language spoken at the General Assembly affects the general population in its day to day life anyway. Have them speak klingon for all care, but reduce or eliminate interpretation costs at least.


Sure, I'd like to know what we spend on this but if it is for the benefit of the private sector let them pay for it.

I honestly don't think the private business sector benefits much from it either, the main benefit being less material and more symbolic and cultural. So by converting it to an NGO (assuming the Commonwealth and the Francophonie agreed to this), we could then let individuals and companies which actually cared about it to fund it.

Don't get it. 1 comon Canadian passport is just fine. Will cost more to administer and will NOT save anything on ESL programs and such, that has to be done by changing immigration policy to require all immigrants be proficient in English or French before they get here.

I was not referring to Canadian citizens, but rather non-citizens coming to Canada. They'd have to apply to sit the test for either the English-language or French-language passport (for lack of a better term) before being allowed to set foot on Canadian soil. This would prevent them coming in as 'tourists' and then declaring themselves refugees once on the ground. We could be lenient whereby those with medical conditions preventing them from learning English or French could receive the passport with a medical note printed in the 'passport'. But other than that, it would ensure that even if someone tried to sneak into Canada as a 'tourist' and then declare himself a refugee, well at least he'd speak one of our official languages thus eliminating the need for programmes such as:

Language Instruction for Newcomers to Canada (LINC) Program

The only reason I'd suggested applying it only to those born let's say a year after this new policy is introduced would be on compassionate grounds so as to give the tourism industry a chance to adapt and those already in the country to be able to unite with family members as per the current policy.

This would not save us anything. Just stop trying to play 'world police' with the Yanks and defend our country at home. That would save us billions right away.

Let's suppose ten countries decided to join into this. This would mean on average each of these countries would have ot provide enough funding to hire, train and equip 10,000 men. Double the number of participating countries, and that takes it down to 5,000 men. If we have 40 countries join in, that's only 2,500 men each country needs to provide funding for on average. And you're telling me it would not save us any money?

Wrong again, all this would do is allow corporations to import cheap labour and put more Canadians out of work. Slow down or stop immigration until all Canadians have a job and you solve your social assistance issue.

First off, let's not confuse immigration with free labour movement. Two different things, though granted there are some similarities. One main difference is the reciprocity of a labour-movement agreement. So while they can get jobs here, we could get jobs there just as easily. The proposal of the language-passports above would still require them to know at least one of our official languages, so as to not make them a burden on our interpretation and translation services. And to avoid exploitation, we could always simply introduce co-determination legislation. Add to that that these workers would also pay taxes in Canada, spend at least some of their money in Canada (they still have to eat), etc. And since this would be reciprocal, both sides would benefit and it would likely also attract business to both of our countries owing to access to a larger labour market.


Not on your life. Wouldn't do it on principle of being closer tied to the US.

Anti-Americanism or any other form of nationalism is not rational.


Wouldn't reduce consumer cost anyway,

Are you denying that there is any middle man in all currency exchanges who skims some profit from each transaction? Do you think your local currency exchange runs as a charity?

companies would just keep the extra profits like always.

A simple solution to this would be to introduce co-determination legislation. This would allow workers to negotiate fair profit-sharing agreements with their employers. While this might not bring costs down, it would allow salaries to gu up a bit in some industries without any rise in prices since it would merely be a matter of redistributing money saved from currency exchanges that was not previously available.


Now for my ideas:
1- Tie all government wages to the median income for Canada.

2- Remove 'gold-plated' pensions for elected officials. They can have a matching program like the rest of us and collect their CPP.

3- Remove all expense accounts from government employees and elected officials except for absolute neccesities.

4- Reduce government spending to 'essential' services only. Any extra programs could be funded by voluntary extra taxes.

5- Legalize marijuana. We currently spend over 250 million a year to prosecute and jail these offenders.

6- Remove all corporate donations and lobbyists from government. If you remove all corporate influence from government they won't make laws or repeal laws for the benefit of corporations.

Next are not so much cost-saving measures but revenue increasing.
1- Raise corporate taxation to 50% and taxes on the wealthy to 70% and close all tax havens and loopholes. US history shows this level of taxation actually generated the largest economic booms in the last 150 years whereas periods when these taxes were drastically reduced were immediatly followed by recession and depression.

2- Tax legalized marijuana. Current estimates are about 1-2 billion a year in new revenues if you just charged PST & GST or HST. Coupled with the savings noted above this is a gold mine.

I have a ton more I would do but this is a start.

Good ideas overall. considering that marijuana will likely raise cancer rates, definitely taxes must be high to help offset the medical costs associated with it.

But if you look at the average ballot there is not a whole lot of choices. What you are doing in fact is voting by default- keeping the worst of the bastards out. :lol:

That's why I'd very much be in favour of making a blank space mandatory on all ballots wherein you could freely write in the name of a local resident you felt deserved your vote.

But I think we have a long ways to go before we see that in action. The parties couldn't stand the competition.
 

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Machjo;1399396 That's why I'd very much be in favour of making a blank space mandatory on all ballots wherein you could freely write in the name of a local resident you felt deserved your vote. [/QUOTE said:
Yep, it could be very entertaining BUT REALLY do we want to squander even more money on it? :lol:
 

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Yep, it could be very entertaining BUT REALLY do we want to squander even more money on it? :lol:

Actually, it might not be that expensive:

1. We have the technology to allow people to enter their ballot electronically.
2. To identify people with the same names, each person would have to be assigned a voter number which would be freely available online. Or alternatively, you'd have to type in the person's street address, home phone number, or some other identifying feature. Of course we'd first need to agree on what that identifying feature would be and then program it in. But it could be done easily enough.
3. If we made it a completely blank ballot (unlike my previous proposal of having a blank space on a ballot), then there would not even be any campaigning since you would essentially be voting for a person based on your observation of the person from the time you came to know them. This eliminates campaign costs altogether, and as for getting tired of elections, we could set a date eah year as a statutory holiday for voting, let's say some day in April each year. Since there would be no campaigning, it's not like people would get tired of elections so quickly as is the case with a weeks-long campaign. Heck, a weeks-long campaign involves more days of electioneering over a five year period than the one day a year of voting in a non-partisan campaign free election.

Plus, you get to vote for an intelligent civilized person who is not hungry for power and who deserves your vote.

Can't beat that.
 

PoliticalNick

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Every red cent counts.
Cannot argue with this.

The UN General Assembly alone spends about 12 million US dollars/year on interpretation costs alone between the six official languages. Reducing the number of official languages to as close as possible to 1, regardless of which official language, would certainly reduce costs. Reducing them to 1 official language would cut interpretation costs at the UN General Assembly at least to 0.00$. It really wouldn't matter what language you keep, and it's not like the language spoken at the General Assembly affects the general population in its day to day life anyway. Have them speak klingon for all care, but reduce or eliminate interpretation costs at least.
I don't have much use for the UN in general. It does little but give permission for invasions and corporate takeovers of entire countries. I undertand your point but why not just refuse to pay. We have 2 of their official languages as our official languages so let those that need interpreters bring one or pay for one.

I honestly don't think the private business sector benefits much from it either, the main benefit being less material and more symbolic and cultural. So by converting it to an NGO (assuming the Commonwealth and the Francophonie agreed to this), we could then let individuals and companies which actually cared about it to fund it.

Are we not a soveriegn country, do we need someone elses permission to do what we want...just say no thank you, goodbye.

I was not referring to Canadian citizens, but rather non-citizens coming to Canada.
We should really just change the application of the refugee laws. If someone comes here to visit family and all of a sudden claims as a refugee it is 99.9% bogus. Start rejecting obviously bogus applications on day 1 and reduce the right to appeals. Make the family they are visiting responsible to pay for any bogus claims and their airfare back. When someone applies for a visitors visa make them sign off that they will not make a claim. Make it as tough as possible on any bogus claims.

Let's suppose ten countries decided to join into this. This would mean on average each of these countries would have ot provide enough funding to hire, train and equip 10,000 men. Double the number of participating countries, and that takes it down to 5,000 men. If we have 40 countries join in, that's only 2,500 men each country needs to provide funding for on average. And you're telling me it would not save us any money?
Your idea does have some merit but...we would still have to pay for our military right? So just stop being 'world police'.

First off, let's not confuse immigration with free labour movement. Two different things, though granted there are some similarities. One main difference is the reciprocity of a labour-movement agreement. So while they can get jobs here, we could get jobs there just as easily. The proposal of the language-passports above would still require them to know at least one of our official languages, so as to not make them a burden on our interpretation and translation services. And to avoid exploitation, we could always simply introduce co-determination legislation. Add to that that these workers would also pay taxes in Canada, spend at least some of their money in Canada (they still have to eat), etc. And since this would be reciprocal, both sides would benefit and it would likely also attract business to both of our countries owing to access to a larger labour market.
I don't buy it. China is not likely to import Canadians for labour but it would certainly export cheap labor into Canada. Same with Mexico. I also don't want to have me or my kids competing against 100 million americans for a job. Canda first...if we have no one here for the job and can't train one then invite a qualified applicant from elsewhere.

Anti-Americanism or any other form of nationalism is not rational.
I'm not against the american people, I'm against their government and foriegn policy and until it changes dramatically that won't change.

Are you denying that there is any middle man in all currency exchanges who skims some profit from each transaction? Do you think your local currency exchange runs as a charity?
No and no

A simple solution to this would be to introduce co-determination legislation. This would allow workers to negotiate fair profit-sharing agreements with their employers. While this might not bring costs down, it would allow salaries to gu up a bit in some industries without any rise in prices since it would merely be a matter of redistributing money saved from currency exchanges that was not previously available.
Legislation costs money, so does enforcement. Kind of couterproductive to saving money. And no guarantee any employers would negotiate anything. The people at the top got there through greed and that won't change.

Good ideas overall. considering that marijuana will likely raise cancer rates, definitely taxes must be high to help offset the medical costs associated with it.
Most studies show that legalization would not really increase use so there would be no significant change in health care costs. If anything it would reduce because you would not have the violence associated with drug dealers in govt pot shops.

That's why I'd very much be in favour of making a blank space mandatory on all ballots wherein you could freely write in the name of a local resident you felt deserved your vote.
I would prefer to see 'None of the above' and have that counted and reported. If it happened to win it would raise some issues but it would also send a message.
 

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This election is about nothing. The 'coalition' will mount the usual 'ethics clean up' promises but we all know that is empty rhetoric.
 

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I don't have much use for the UN in general. It does little but give permission for invasions and corporate takeovers of entire countries. I undertand your point but why not just refuse to pay. We have 2 of their official languages as our official languages so let those that need interpreters bring one or pay for one.

Of course there is the option of simply resigning from the UN. Besides, Canada already has a UN Association which operates as an NGO, so even if Canada did withdraw from the UN, that would not stop Canadians from participating in the UN Association of Canada if they cared so much about it. You do have a point there.



Are we not a soveriegn country, do we need someone elses permission to do what we want...just say no thank you, goodbye.

It's not so simple as that. Should Canada withdraw from the Commonwealth and the Francophonie, it no longer has a vote in those organizations. But now that I think about it, it should e easy enough for form some kind of Canadian Commonwealth Association and its Francophonie equivalent which could function as NGOs which could participate in those organizations to whatever degree those organizations allow. I guess in that sense it would be no different from the UN example above. SO I stand corrected.

Personally I lean more in favour of retaining UN membership and promoting its reform, but I could accept withdrawal should there be significant support for such action.

We should really just change the application of the refugee laws. If someone comes here to visit family and all of a sudden claims as a refugee it is 99.9% bogus. Start rejecting obviously bogus applications on day 1 and reduce the right to appeals. Make the family they are visiting responsible to pay for any bogus claims and their airfare back. When someone applies for a visitors visa make them sign off that they will not make a claim. Make it as tough as possible on any bogus claims.

That's fine, but that alone would require a significant bureaucracy. Honestly, your proposal would be more effective than the 'passport' proposal I'd proposed, but more expensive too. Once in the country, it's easy enough in a large liberal country to evade immigration officials for a long time should one wish to do so. And by the time they are caught, they're getting married with a Canadian citizen, or pregnant, thus just making things messier legally. One advantage with my proposal (though granted it would not necessarily be at odds with yours in that both could be adopted) is that it assures that should a person still enter the country, break their agreement, and cause us problems by then trying to marry a Canadian, get pregnant by a Canadian, or get a Canadian pregnant, etc. etc. etc. at least they'd know the local language and so we could integrate them a a last resort.


Your idea does have some merit but...we would still have to pay for our military right? So just stop being 'world police'.

Actually, my idea was to gradually replace our military over time. As for playing world police, such a force could have strict enough rules of engagement that for the most part it would engage only in those wars that are unquestionably just and agreed to be so by pretty well all countries except the the ones we're fighting. So I wouldn't be talking about a gung ho fight every war kind of force.

I don't buy it. China is not likely to import Canadians for labour but it would certainly export cheap labor into Canada. Same with Mexico.

That's why I used the word 'agreement'. it would have to be mutual.

I also don't want to have me or my kids competing against 100 million americans for a job. Canda first...if we have no one here for the job and can't train one then invite a qualified applicant from elsewhere.

Such a labour movement agreement would remove much of the bureaucracy surrounding all the required documents for such workers. Also, as for competition, considering the 'language passport' proposal above, this alone would limit may Chinese and Mexican workers, though granted not many Americans. But overall they'd actually create more jobs by spending their money here, buying food and clothing here, and renting apartments here, etc.

Let's face it, they're not likely to travel from the US each and every day of the week unless of course they live and work just across the border.And even then at lunch time local restaurants are likely to benefit. Not to mention Canadians could benefit from their markets too. It's a cratch my back and I'll scratch yours kind of agreement.

I'm not against the american people, I'm against their government and foriegn policy and until it changes dramatically that won't change.

A labour movement agreement has nothing to do with the governments beyond establishing the agreement itself, Once it's in place, the workers make their own decisions. As for US foreign policy, clearly Canada would not play much of a role in it should we have already withdrawn from NATO, NORAD, and the OAS, and reduced our military spending as we would increasingly share a force with other countries.


Legislation costs money, so does enforcement. Kind of couterproductive to saving money. And no guarantee any employers would negotiate anything. The people at the top got there through greed and that won't change.

Seems to have worked in Germany where the gap between rich and poor is certainly narrower than it is here.


Most studies show that legalization would not really increase use so there would be no significant change in health care costs. If anything it would reduce because you would not have the violence associated with drug dealers in govt pot shops.

You might be right, plus we get to tax it too.


I would prefer to see 'None of the above' and have that counted and reported. If it happened to win it would raise some issues but it would also send a message.

Unlike a blank ballot or blank space on the ballot, it still wouldn't solve anything though.
 

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Personally I lean more in favour of retaining UN membership and promoting its reform, but I could accept withdrawal should there be significant support for such action.

If we could actually achieve reform I too would agree to stay.



That's fine, but that alone would require a significant bureaucracy. Honestly, your proposal would be more effective than the 'passport' proposal I'd proposed, but more expensive too. Once in the country, it's easy enough in a large liberal country to evade immigration officials for a long time should one wish to do so. And by the time they are caught, they're getting married with a Canadian citizen, or pregnant, thus just making things messier legally.
I think the money saved on endless appeals and the ability to recover from the 'sponsor' would mitigate some of the costs. You do have a point about them disappearing in this large country but if the family is going to be held finacially accountable it would serve as somewhat of a deterent. As for marrying or knocking up a Candaian, if we are making some changes anyway them make a change whereby they have to leave and apply to come back if they were illegal at the time of the marriage or impregnation. Anyway I for one would not mind spending a little more to stop illegal immigration.

One advantage with my proposal (though granted it would not necessarily be at odds with yours in that both could be adopted) is that it assures that should a person still enter the country, break their agreement, and cause us problems by then trying to marry a Canadian, get pregnant by a Canadian, or get a Canadian pregnant, etc. etc. etc. at least they'd know the local language and so we could integrate them a a last resort.

I cannot argue that if forced to assimilate it would be cheaper with your idea in place.

Actually, my idea was to gradually replace our military over time. As for playing world police, such a force could have strict enough rules of engagement that for the most part it would engage only in those wars that are unquestionably just and agreed to be so by pretty well all countries except the the ones we're fighting. So I wouldn't be talking about a gung ho fight every war kind of force.
I don't see how we could ever give up defense of our country so we would always need a military force. Upon further reflection though if we are going to be active in geo-political policing and human rights assitance your plan would be a lot cheaper than what we do now.

That's why I used the word 'agreement'. it would have to be mutual.
Such a labour movement agreement would remove much of the bureaucracy surrounding all the required documents for such workers. Also, as for competition, considering the 'language passport' proposal above, this alone would limit may Chinese and Mexican workers, though granted not many Americans. But overall they'd actually create more jobs by spending their money here, buying food and clothing here, and renting apartments here, etc.
You can beat this one to death but we would end up losers against countries with much larger populations and higher unemployment.

Let's face it, they're not likely to travel from the US each and every day of the week unless of course they live and work just across the border.And even then at lunch time local restaurants are likely to benefit. Not to mention Canadians could benefit from their markets too. It's a scratch my back and I'll scratch yours kind of agreement.

Lets say my jury is still out....

Seems to have worked in Germany where the gap between rich and poor is certainly narrower than it is here.
OK, i'll give it a go if there is general support.

You might be right, plus we get to tax it too.
Win - Win IMHO

Unlike a blank ballot or blank space on the ballot, it still wouldn't solve anything though.
Quite right. We need alot more than a bunch of rejected ballots or none of the above votes to effect the real needed changes.

On another note, thank you for a great discussion without the attacks on other's ideas and abuse there seems to be from some others in this forum.
 

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I once rode a bus/van from Santiago to Antifagasto with 5 others. A Frenchman, A German two Chileans and a Chinese. All of us spoke English but more importantly we spoke mathematically and chemically with far more ease.
 

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Fire the whole Fed and put the tasks on the backs of the Provincial Governments using the same staff they have now at the same price they are being paid now. Visitations would be via web-cams that would be open to public viewing (for registered voters) so that would be their watchdog group so they don't go too wild before being exposed/recalled home and fired.

we spoke mathematically and chemically with far more ease.
Sounds like you pooled your money and loaded up with booze and drugs at the first stop you made.
 

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Setting election at a fixed time would save lots of money and eliminate the reprehensible and power-hungry one-upmanship.
So would placing all of them under house arrest until the vote is over, then they can find out if they still have a job even. Having the public finance an election before the scheduled one is rewarding them with travel and dinners for being losers who couldn't perform their job as is, why get another kick at the same can when it is their bosses (John Q. Public) is getting stuck with a bill the 'contractor' should be paying the freight. Then just watch how efficiently and quickly and cheaply it can be done.
 

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On another note, thank you for a great discussion without the attacks on other's ideas and abuse there seems to be from some others in this forum.

Thanks. Add to that that I honestly don't even see anything wrong with throwing an idea out that even I myself am unsure of just to effect a brainstorm. Sometimes the best ideas are born out of such brainstorms.

Don't spend 35 billion on F-35's.

The proposal of an international police force of a maximum of 100,000 trained and equipped men to gradually replace our national forces would likely achieve similar results to what you are proposing. Many countries pooling their resources in the maintenance of one force would save all participating countries plenty of money.

Weird. I've just taken teh test on the Political compass on the CBC news site a few times (since as always with such political questionaires, questions are always open to interpretation, which obviously influences teh answer), and each time it puts me closer to the Conservative Party!

I think it's strange because, as has been the case with other such political compasses always putting me closer to the Conservative Party, I've never voted for a conservative candidate yet. I've voted NDP in the past, spoilt my ballot by handing in a blank ballot once, and have also gone Green (bearing in mind that except for my first NDP vote many years ago, my votes have always been for the candidate and not the party).

I find it strange since I would have thought that, judging by my voting pattern, I'd be more likely to warm to a Conservative candidate in more cases than not.

I can only guess that some factors that affect such questionaires is that they only ask so many questions and also assume a more or less equal improtance placed on each answer within certain parameters, and that obviously not all questions appear on the questionnaire either.

Overall I'd describe myself as economically a liberal corporatist (probably a rare economic leaning in Canada), and politically a decentralist world federalist (also a rare trait). As a result, the questionnaire merely picks up on my fiscal conservativeness and immediately puts me to the moderate right between Conservatives and the rest, but clearly closer to the Conservatives, while not even asking any question at all on many otehr questions regarding international relations and more detailed questions on economic organization, and so it just automatically lumps me in with the Conservatives.

I guess definitely these on-line questionnaires must be taken with a grain of salt seeing that they only give very rough approximations on a limited set of questions.

Oh yes, and I'm somewhat social conservative for the most part, but again something that is usually a secondary reflex in choosing a candidate, and not usually a primary one, economic and international policy considerations playing a much more important role.