FDA Attempting to Regulate Supplements, Herbs and Juices as "Drugs"

Dexter Sinister

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That sounds almost like a threat. ;-) But a very positive one. Who wouldn't be happy to meet a cheerful and loving personality like you? One of these days my wife and I might get to Richmond and look you up and take you out for dinner. She's long been interested in visiting the U.S. east coast, anywhere from Boston to Florida...
 

Dexter Sinister

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...you know your GONNA get kissed no matter what! ;)
Yep, that's okay, my wife knows I care for lots of people besides her and some of them deserve kisses. She routinely kisses my best buddy in front of me, and I similarly kiss his wife, and I take that as a compliment to all four of us. That's not an issue between us. I would happily kiss you in front of her, and she would immediately understand and embrace you as somebody I care about.

Can you ask for better than that? I don't think so.
 

talloola

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Speaking of kissing:
When I met my husband to be, I was 14, so after about a year I was completely familiar with
his family, ITALIANS, and many many of them , relatives no more than 5 miles radius. I was from a quiet, non functional, english/irish
family, and a kiss was few and far between. Well, now I had people kissing me all the time
for no apparent reason, just too much touching, and hugging and. .whew.. Never did get used to it. I like kissing just like most do, but it is a
little bit more of a personal thing for me, and I did a lot of 'teeth brushing' and 'mouth washing'
in those days, it was just too much for me, and don't ever think for a minute that 'some' italian men
didn't take that tradition to the limit. At the age of 15 or so, saliva and tongues are disgusting
 

MHz

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Self, a question. A good friend of mine has had constant dizziness for the last two years. Specialists haven't helped. Neither has a naturopath. In your work with herbals is there anything you could suggest?
There are only two things I know of that have anything to do with being dizzy.
The first I have experienced, light-headiness when going from a resting position to standing, if done rapidly I felt dizzy for a few moments. I switched to decaf coffee and a week later that symptom was gone.

The second is just a 'I have read somewhere' that your ears have more to do with a person's balance than diet or other possible causes. When a person get an ear-ache something in the ear quits working properly. Taking a remidy for an ear-ache when not having one probably won't kill you, however it might have some effect on the same mechanism that causes dizziness when a person has an ear-ache. A few drops of 3% hydrogen peroxide in an ear will kill a lot of bacteria, and the bubbling sound kind of neat is you like sea-shell type music. It is also supposed to soften the wax, making cotton swabs more effective at getting into all the nooks and crannies.

This could also be a side-effect of literally a thousand things that can get into a body, as a treatment for something else or something from that gets on your fingers and then into the mouth.

Can you show me a peer-reviewed article from a respectable journal which says that eating baking soda will eliminate cancer??
No. I can take you to the first article I read about it though.

http://rapidshare.com/files/25458769/The_Compound.pdf

I could give you more links if you wanted to include reports and such that indicate cancer cells like an acidic and low oxygen 'climate'. If your blood ph goes more than .2 from ph 7.37 you die. Fresh saliva and urine ph tests will give the ph level of your body tissues. If you have cancer and your ph level is acidic it would make sense to raise your ph level to 7.3. I could also give you links to papers that indicate cancer cells do not like oxygen.


In a catch-22 situation, if that became law to (discuss these types of things) and you were told you had something that needed 'extreme treatment' and you did 'something cheap and natural' and you came back to the Doc and he gave you a clean bill of heath. Under threat of penalty, you would not be able to tell him what steps you took as you would be guilty of 'practicing medicine'. Your own Doc could (or have to in order that he not be guilty of something)'turn you in' and you get sent to prison for 'your crime'. LOL
 

karrie

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A few drops of 3% hydrogen peroxide in an ear will kill a lot of bacteria, and the bubbling sound kind of neat is you like sea-shell type music. It is also supposed to soften the wax, making cotton swabs more effective at getting into all the nooks and crannies.

This is a great remedy for swimmers ear, but your ear canal and ear drum have nothing to do with your sense of balance. The semicircular canals of your cochlea, your inner ear, are responsible for balance, and they are a closed system. If there is an infection of the inner ear, time and/or antibiotics are the only things that will help.




In a catch-22 situation, if that became law to (discuss these types of things) and you were told you had something that needed 'extreme treatment' and you did 'something cheap and natural' and you came back to the Doc and he gave you a clean bill of heath. Under threat of penalty, you would not be able to tell him what steps you took as you would be guilty of 'practicing medicine'. Your own Doc could (or have to in order that he not be guilty of something)'turn you in' and you get sent to prison for 'your crime'. LOL

You clearly do not understand anything about the ways the FDA regulations work. They are not targeted at people who make use of regulated medications, they are targetted at people who sell regulated products. And they only apply in that someone selling baking soda could only label it 'baking soda', rather than 'baking soda... will cure cancer'.
 

Stretch

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FDA aproved aspartame

Aspartame Gate: When Donald Rumsfeld was CEO of Searle

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sep...te_when_donald_rumsfeld_was_ceo_of_searle.htm

the fda non aproved...
The Bittersweet Story of the Stevia Herb

The sweet stevia herb has had a long, safe history of use as a food and medicine in South America and Asia, but in many Western countries it is illegal as a food or food additive but legal as a dietary supplement.

It's easy to grow, wonderful as a sweetener, contains medicinal properties, is non-caloric, safe to cook with, and has great potential in agriculture. It's widely used in South America and Asia. So why isn't stevia a household name in the rest of the world?
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/stevia.html

The fda approved....
REFINED SUGAR

The Sweetest Poison of All

A multitude of common physical and mental ailments are strongly linked to the consuming of 'pure', refined sugar.

WHY SUGAR IS TOXIC TO THE BODY

[SIZE=+3]I[/SIZE]n 1957, Dr William Coda Martin tried to answer the question: When is a food a food and when is it a poison? His working definition of "poison" was: "Medically: Any substance applied to the body, ingested or developed within the body, which causes or may cause disease. Physically: Any substance which inhibits the activity of a catalyst which is a minor substance, chemical or enzyme that activates a reaction."1 The dictionary gives an even broader definition for "poison": "to exert a harmful influence on, or to pervert".
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/sugarblues.html
 

karrie

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Stretch, you realize of course that saying something is not approved by the FDA, is not the same as saying that the FDA rejected an application to have it approved. Mind you, I guess YOU'RE not actually saying anything, you just cut and paste, cut and paste.
I doubt that the distributors of stevia would bother with FDA approval anyhow, since stevia sells just fine, around here anyway, and is not produced in large enough quantities to be used as a food additive in mass produced items such as sodas.
 

Stretch

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if you'd read the article, you'd have seen that the fda tryed to stamp them out, destroying all the books and material on the benefits of Stevia

can ya get in the states...just wondering
 
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karrie

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if you'd read the article, you'd have seen that the fda tryed to stamp them out, destroying all the books and material on the benefits of Stevia

can ya get in the staes...just wondering

Well, the blurb you put up said that it IS sold as a dietary supplement, so I'm going to go with, yes.

Making health claims is controlled by the FDA, and if there were books out claiming that stevia could do this that or the other thing, the onus is on the producers to either prove it, or stop publishing their claims. That's the whole point of the FDA, and it's a darn good function. If they got their literature stamped out, they're free to submit the research proving it, and have it brought back in. It seems to be though that those who whine the most are the ones who were lying through their teeth on half of their health claims, or whose product has no benefit in double blind studies and worked best under the placebo effect.
 

Stretch

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the fda beat their door in basicly....made them destroy the "backing" they ahd for thier product
now if I was incharge of that raid...I'd be wanting to keep everything I found as evidence against them...is that not true? wouldnt you?