Fahrenheit 9/11 maker shies from his own heat

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Moore a victim of his own moreish success
November 15, 2005

By Janet Street-Porter

London: Whatever happened to Michael Moore, the man who told us his mission in life was to stop US President George Bush getting re-elected?

The man who loathed Bush so much he spent millions of dollars making the film, Fahrenheit 9/11, the main purpose of which was to discredit the president. The man who went on national television and relentlessly toured the US begging people to vote the
Republicans out of office.

Moore never missed an opportunity to ram home the fact that he sought nothing less than total humiliation for Dubya. But since Bush was returned to the White House, Moore has been strangely silent - obviously he found the result extremely unpalatable, and Moore is not someone who likes to lose an argument.

At 127kg-plus, the largest man in movies is pretty hard to miss. But, apart from launching a film festival in a remote part of Michigan a couple of months ago, he seems to have vanished into thin air.

There were stories that he'd been shacked up at a Florida fat farm trying to lose weight. There were rumours that he'd toured New Orleans after Katrina, but reading his website, it's clear that while keen to rally support for the homeless and jobless, he was not actually there in person.

Now a new book, Do As I Say (Not As I Do) - Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy, by the right-wing commentator Peter Schweizer, criticises Moore for not living up to the high moral standards he claims to espouse.

The author, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, went through publicly available IRS (tax) documents to discover that Moore's foundation bought shares in some of the companies he has spent a career in the media attacking.

Not just a few shares either - don't forget Moore has always said he doesn't own any stock and doesn't have a broker - but his foundation owns tens of thousands of shares in Boeing, Sonoco, Eli Lilly, and Halliburton, the same defence company that Fahrenheit 9/11 attacked for making huge profits out of rebuilding countries like Afghanistan and Iraq after American military intervention.

Even more damaging, try logging on to the Name the Hypocrite website, and read claims that Moore, who says conservatives are racist because they don't support affirmative action, has only managed to employ three black people out of a workforce of 135 people working on his books, television shows and radio projects.

Moore, who says that Americans who live in white neighbourhoods are racist, has lived for the past seven years in a waterfront home in Central Lake, Michigan, a community of 2 600 residents. The 2000 census records show the number of black people living there is zero.


I have always saluted Moore's achievements as a communicator, for making politics as exciting as a ball game and for putting complicated subjects across to the mass audience.

Over the past year, however, Moore has not only got richer than in his wildest dreams, but his celebrity status has meant that he now mingles with the glitterati. Stories of his giant ego and huge tantrums abound - but how many were manufactured by those on the right fearful of his influence? I decided to go to America and make a documentary about how America's champion of the underdog has morphed into one of the creatures he originally so despised.

Now Moore is more unapproachable than the Pope, more obsessed with his own security than Elton John. There's a dangerous gap between the Moore of myth and the Moore of reality. For a moment during the presidential campaign it seemed as if he sought public office as a way of cleansing the system and achieving a fairer redistribution of wealth in his country.

But many would argue by taking on Bush in such a heavy-handed way, he actually helped his arch enemy win, galvanising wavering Republicans to turn out and vote. Meanwhile, Moore alienates everyone who has to work with him, outside his small trusted team, by imposing demands that make Mariah Carey seem reasonable.


In my documentary I discover just how appallingly he behaved during his British tour, ordering pizzas and stuffing himself while the audience waited for him to go on stage. Refusing to meet a woman who knew his mom, who'd come from his home town and baked him an apple pie.

Crowing on the phone to his mate in New York that Vanessa Redgrave and Bianca Jagger were in the audience, while the public waited for him to entertain them. The same man who did a deal with two of the poorest people in his film Roger and me whereby they earned a measly $100, while he made millions. In the end, I conclude that Moore is a victim of his own success, who has a whole lot more in common with Bush than he would ever care to admit.

He's said to be planning a film about medical insurance in the States, but with his track record, shouldn't the film instead be carrying a health warning?




- The Independent
 

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oh wow 8O eating pizza and making money. Still tho, a long way from killing thousands of women of childern. Yup, why don't you get pat robertson and jerry fawell to start praying for his demise, don't forget to send money along with dat prayer. Oh I forgot...tho shall not kill :roll:
 

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RE: Fahrenheit 9/11 maker

Ah, all the usual crap. Moore is rich. Moore is fat. Moore hangs out with other famous people. Moore didn't pay enough when he shot Roger and Me (no mention that he didn't actually have any money then). The man makes satirical documentary films, for feck sakes. They are entertaining. They raise questions. They criticise those in power.

The radical right's continuing efforts to disparage Moore is a sign of just how close to the truth he gets. He scares the shit out of the Bushites.
 

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Re: RE: Fahrenheit 9/11 maker

Reverend Blair said:
Ah, all the usual crap. Moore is rich. Moore is fat. Moore hangs out with other famous people. Moore didn't pay enough when he shot Roger and Me (no mention that he didn't actually have any money then). The man makes satirical documentary films, for feck sakes. They are entertaining. They raise questions. They criticise those in power.

The radical right's continuing efforts to disparage Moore is a sign of just how close to the truth he gets. He scares the shit out of the Bushites.

Moore is not a maker of "satirical documentaries", he is a propagandist. BTW, what the hell is a "satirical documentary"? Something is either satirical, or a documentary, it can't be both.

I just watched "Bowling for Columbine" a few weeks ago. SOOOOO simplistic. I especially loved the part where the official from Flint Michighan is complaining about the fear that drives people to buy guns. Fear, he says, has driven people in Flint to buy more and more handguns over the seven years he has worked there. And, he says, it is SOOO silly because the murder rate has dropped in each of those years......HUH!?!?!? He is of course, proving John Lott's point....more guns, less crime. Or at least the freedom to keep arms does NOT drive the murder rate up.

I am part way through the 911 film, and it is of the same ilk. Insinuation delivered in we-know-better tones. Just garbage. I intend to rent Fahrenhype 911 (the debunking tape) when I'm done.

That Moore is a hypocrite doesn't surprize me in the least.

He is just some amoral mediocre film maker that found the golden calf.
 

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"That Moore is a hypocrite doesn't surprize me in the least."


Exactly.
 

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Well thats because you don't have a clue as to what satire is. Walking into a bank and getting a gun if you open a bank account. It does not get more absurb than this. Yes its no surprise that you do not understand the defination of satirical political documentary maker.
 

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peapod said:
Well thats because you don't have a clue as to what satire is. Walking into a bank and getting a gun if you open a bank account. It does not get more absurb than this. Yes its no surprise that you do not understand the defination of satirical political documentary maker.

That would be fine.

Except.....the Bank doesn't keep guns on site. You can't walk into a bank and walk out with a gun. The whole thing was set up and scripted.

That may be satire.....but it is not a documentary.
 

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peapod said:
Really 8O and I suppose the fact that you can obtain a gun, by opening a bank account is lost on you. :?

SO WHAT!?

The point is Moore misleads. He pretends to be a documentary film maker, but he lacks any commitment to fact.

My point is that Moore's films may be documentary at some point, and satirical in another, but the two concepts should be mutually exclusive in one film. All they do is confuse and mislead the niave audience.

Which Moore, as a propagandist, fully intends.
 

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RE: Fahrenheit 9/11 maker

What about the Swift Boat Liars...er...Veterans. They were made to mislead. What about the latest Wal-Mart sponsored film? Designed to mislead too.

The difference is that they have no satirical element, they are just plain old mean spirited hatchet jobs full of purposeful lies.
 

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"The author, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, went through publicly available IRS (tax) documents to discover that Moore's foundation bought shares in some of the companies he has spent a career in the media attacking.

Not just a few shares either - don't forget Moore has always said he doesn't own any stock and doesn't have a broker - but his foundation owns tens of thousands of shares in Boeing, Sonoco, Eli Lilly, and Halliburton, the same defence company that Fahrenheit 9/11 attacked for making huge profits out of rebuilding countries like Afghanistan and Iraq after American military intervention.

Even more damaging, try logging on to the Name the Hypocrite website, and read claims that Moore, who says conservatives are racist because they don't support affirmative action, has only managed to employ three black people out of a workforce of 135 people working on his books, television shows and radio projects.

Moore, who says that Americans who live in white neighbourhoods are racist, has lived for the past seven years in a waterfront home in Central Lake, Michigan, a community of 2 600 residents. The 2000 census records show the number of black people living there is zero. "



This is the concept that is lost. Rather than see what is really happening you want to yak about one bank that will give you a gun when you sign up for an account.

BTW, if you don't want your new gun with the new account, I will take it. They aren't cheap you know....
 

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Re: RE: Fahrenheit 9/11 maker

Reverend Blair said:
What about the Swift Boat Liars...er...Veterans. They were made to mislead. What about the latest Wal-Mart sponsored film? Designed to mislead too.

The difference is that they have no satirical element, they are just plain old mean spirited hatchet jobs full of purposeful lies.

Are you sure the Swift Boat Veterans lied?

I personally think Kerry was, like most men (especially in that situation) not exactly consistent. He could easily have been a coward one day, a hero the next. Depends on the situation and the rage/fear ratio at the moment. And, different veterans could have seen different aspects of him at different times.

Kerry does after all, have the medals, even though he threw someone else's medals away in protest, and never saw a hospital despite winning 3 Purple Hearts. (I think 3, not sure)

A Silver Star and a Bronze Star are nothing to smirk at though. Especially by someone like myself, who has never "seen the elephant".

My biggest problem with Kerry politically was he never saw a position he didn't like. And he was, like Clinton, a Democrat. (shiver)

Don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about when it comes to Wal-Mart movies.
 

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Moore is an asshole, a loudmouth moron, and an opinionated jerk.

Bush is an asshole, a moron, and a puppet.

Two sides of the same coin, both useless twits.
Tie them together and throw them into the ocean.
 

Jay

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"Tie them together and throw them into the ocean."


Don't forget to make a wish!!
 

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Colpy said:
Are you sure the Swift Boat Veterans lied?

:lol: That was mudslinging at it's best. You'd have to be on heavy medication to think that it was an honest opinion.






 

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I'm sure Moore could have made a very dour documentary, completely faithful to Truth and only a few critics would have sat through it before panning it.

It is a sad aspect of the general population in the U.S. that movies must have some entertainment value wrapped around the facts to be at all pallatable. Thus the use of satire. Not as evocative as phosperous bombing of civilians, but perhaps a few people would begin to question their percepts.

Poor Americans have to believe the government lies or question their own moral values. Don't forget that the Germans overwelmingly supported Hitler's war of reprisal. They largely didn't question the round up of the Jews and many claimed utter shock when marched through Dachau after the liberation of Munich. What did they think was being burned?

What do the American's think is happening in the Gulags their government has erected? How do they think the hundred thousand young males in detention camps are being treated? Don't they realize when you bomb a residential area, it is mostly innocent civilians who die. Why don't American's value Iraqi lives as their own? The Iraqis did nothing to America. Leave them alone.
 

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Ah, all the usual crap. Moore is rich. Moore is fat. Moore hangs out with other famous people. Moore didn't pay enough when he shot Roger and Me (no mention that he didn't actually have any money then). The man makes satirical documentary films, for *censored* sakes. They are entertaining. They raise questions. They criticise those in power.

lol...you are right there. I like his documentaries but I don't take it all for solid fact or base everything on them, because ulitmately he does bend the truth. But having said that he has done alot to expose power and corruption. Bowling for columbine is a classic...but farenheight 911 kinda striked me as a conspiracy theory flick..anyone else?