Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
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Re: RE: Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
Listen, this is the pilot of fligght 77 hani hanjour
Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20A11FD35550C778CDDAC0894DA404482
How this guy would have find washington from where they hijacked and more importantly how would he have done a 180 degree turn if he is a bad pilot??
thulin said:
Listen, this is the pilot of fligght 77 hani hanjour
Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20A11FD35550C778CDDAC0894DA404482
How this guy would have find washington from where they hijacked and more importantly how would he have done a 180 degree turn if he is a bad pilot??
Re: RE: Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
Well ok, what about those....
.After the president returned to the White House on Sept. 11, he and his top advisers, including Clarke, began holding meetings about how to respond and retaliate. As Clarke writes in his book, he expected the administration to focus its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. He says he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.
"Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq," Clarke said to Stahl. "And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml
.the pentagone simulated a plane crashing into the pentagone and that was in november 2000
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/5_44/local_news/2852-1.html
The seismic record from Columbia University™s observatory in
Palisades, NY (21 miles away) provides indisputable proof that massive
explosions brought down those towers. At the precise moment the South
Tower began collapsing, a 2.1 earthquake registered on the
seismograph. At the precise moment the North Tower began collapsing, a
2.3 earthquake registered; however, as the buildings started to
crumble these waves disappeared.
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/nodate/seismicobservations.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html
Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
Waleed Al Shehri left the US a year ago, he says
Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.
The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.
Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
.September 12, 2001
New York City
*
Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.
We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off . We think there was bombs set in the building. I had just asked another firefighter to stay with me, which was a good thing because we were trapped inside the elevator and he had the tools to get out.
There were probably 500 people trapped in the stairwell. It was mass chaos. The power went out. It was dark. Everybody was screaming. We had oxygen masks and we were giving people oxygen. Some of us made it out and some of us didn't. I know of at least 30 firefighters who are still missing. This is my 20th year. I am seriously considering retiring. This might have done it.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/louie_cacchioli.html
.US GOV'T WON'T RELEASE TERROR FINANCING LIST
"The Treasury Department rejected a request from senators [Aug 5] and refused to release a classified list of Saudi individuals or organizations suspected of financing terrorist groups… …The refusal to release the list marks the second time in two weeks that the Bush administration has rejected requests by senators to declassify information about Saudi ties to terrorists…" Complete report…
http://www.hypocrites.com/article14102.html
http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/news/news-august11.html
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6464412.htm
"On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed—the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban."* (Washington Post, 18 May 2002).
http://baltimorechronicle.com/media3_oct02.html
For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security -- a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.
http://www.sfgate.com/today/0912_chron_mnreport.shtml
Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html
The grand chessboard written by Zbigniew Brzezinski
A power that dominates eurasia, would control of the world three most advance and economically productive regions and..... about three-fourth of the world's known energy ressources
but withouth an external threat alike pearl harbor, there is no way that the american people support this imperial mobilization.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.html
northwood document
The Northwoods plan for staging phony attacks on the U.S. to justify invading Cuba was developed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962. It was never implemented, perhaps due to fear of Soviet retaliation.
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-ii.htm
cia agent met oussama bin laden in july 2001
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Bin-Laden-Met-CIA.htm
saudi goverment blocked fbi to investigate 9-11 terrorist family
“The report strongly criticized top Saudi officials for their ‘lack of cooperation’ before and after the Sept. 11 attacks, even when it became known that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.…One top U.S. official told the joint inquiry staff that the Saudis since 1996 would not cooperate on matters relating to Osama bin Laden.* Robert Baer, a former CIA officer, said the Saudis blocked FBI agents from talking to relatives of the 15 hijackers and following other leads in the kingdom.” * Frank Davies, et al., “Bush rejects call to give more 9/11 data,” Philadelphia Inquirer, July 30, 2003.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/6375741.htm?1c
bush cut terrorism funding from the fbi
“Former FBI Director Louis Freeh and Attorney General John Ashcroft to appear before 9/11 commission tomorrow,” NPR Radio: Marketplace, April 12, 2004. See also, 2001 budget documents including Attorney General John Ashcroft FY 2003 budget request to Office of Management and Budget, September 10, 2001, showing $65 million offset in the FBI budget for counter-terrorism equipment grants:
http://www.americanprogress.org/atf/cf/{E9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E06E03}/FY03ASHCROFT.PDF
Anthrax
But the investigation keeps returning to the Frederick area, home to the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. The lab, a possible source of the anthrax bacteria, once employed scientist Steven J. Hatfill, whose apartment in Frederick was searched twice by federal agents in the summer of 2002. Hatfill, a medical doctor and bioterrorism specialist, expert has not been charged with any wrongdoing. He has denied involvement in the attacks and has filed lawsuits against the Justice Department and The New York Times, alleging defamation.*
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...thrax_investigation_presses_on_3_years_later/
i could go all day, bringing those kind of facts, i didnt come with this conclusion for the fun of it.
Now are you able to give me evidence that oussama bin laden is behind 9-11??
Oups, i heard the toilet flushed on that one ,that is what happened when one side is too factual :wink:
jimmoyer said:
Well ok, what about those....
.After the president returned to the White House on Sept. 11, he and his top advisers, including Clarke, began holding meetings about how to respond and retaliate. As Clarke writes in his book, he expected the administration to focus its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. He says he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.
"Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq," Clarke said to Stahl. "And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml
.the pentagone simulated a plane crashing into the pentagone and that was in november 2000
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/5_44/local_news/2852-1.html
The seismic record from Columbia University™s observatory in
Palisades, NY (21 miles away) provides indisputable proof that massive
explosions brought down those towers. At the precise moment the South
Tower began collapsing, a 2.1 earthquake registered on the
seismograph. At the precise moment the North Tower began collapsing, a
2.3 earthquake registered; however, as the buildings started to
crumble these waves disappeared.
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/nodate/seismicobservations.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html
Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
Waleed Al Shehri left the US a year ago, he says
Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.
The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.
Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
.September 12, 2001
New York City
*
Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.
We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off . We think there was bombs set in the building. I had just asked another firefighter to stay with me, which was a good thing because we were trapped inside the elevator and he had the tools to get out.
There were probably 500 people trapped in the stairwell. It was mass chaos. The power went out. It was dark. Everybody was screaming. We had oxygen masks and we were giving people oxygen. Some of us made it out and some of us didn't. I know of at least 30 firefighters who are still missing. This is my 20th year. I am seriously considering retiring. This might have done it.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/louie_cacchioli.html
.US GOV'T WON'T RELEASE TERROR FINANCING LIST
"The Treasury Department rejected a request from senators [Aug 5] and refused to release a classified list of Saudi individuals or organizations suspected of financing terrorist groups… …The refusal to release the list marks the second time in two weeks that the Bush administration has rejected requests by senators to declassify information about Saudi ties to terrorists…" Complete report…
http://www.hypocrites.com/article14102.html
http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/news/news-august11.html
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6464412.htm
"On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed—the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban."* (Washington Post, 18 May 2002).
http://baltimorechronicle.com/media3_oct02.html
For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security -- a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.
http://www.sfgate.com/today/0912_chron_mnreport.shtml
Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html
The grand chessboard written by Zbigniew Brzezinski
A power that dominates eurasia, would control of the world three most advance and economically productive regions and..... about three-fourth of the world's known energy ressources
but withouth an external threat alike pearl harbor, there is no way that the american people support this imperial mobilization.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.html
northwood document
The Northwoods plan for staging phony attacks on the U.S. to justify invading Cuba was developed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962. It was never implemented, perhaps due to fear of Soviet retaliation.
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-ii.htm
cia agent met oussama bin laden in july 2001
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Bin-Laden-Met-CIA.htm
saudi goverment blocked fbi to investigate 9-11 terrorist family
“The report strongly criticized top Saudi officials for their ‘lack of cooperation’ before and after the Sept. 11 attacks, even when it became known that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.…One top U.S. official told the joint inquiry staff that the Saudis since 1996 would not cooperate on matters relating to Osama bin Laden.* Robert Baer, a former CIA officer, said the Saudis blocked FBI agents from talking to relatives of the 15 hijackers and following other leads in the kingdom.” * Frank Davies, et al., “Bush rejects call to give more 9/11 data,” Philadelphia Inquirer, July 30, 2003.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/6375741.htm?1c
bush cut terrorism funding from the fbi
“Former FBI Director Louis Freeh and Attorney General John Ashcroft to appear before 9/11 commission tomorrow,” NPR Radio: Marketplace, April 12, 2004. See also, 2001 budget documents including Attorney General John Ashcroft FY 2003 budget request to Office of Management and Budget, September 10, 2001, showing $65 million offset in the FBI budget for counter-terrorism equipment grants:
http://www.americanprogress.org/atf/cf/{E9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E06E03}/FY03ASHCROFT.PDF
Anthrax
But the investigation keeps returning to the Frederick area, home to the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. The lab, a possible source of the anthrax bacteria, once employed scientist Steven J. Hatfill, whose apartment in Frederick was searched twice by federal agents in the summer of 2002. Hatfill, a medical doctor and bioterrorism specialist, expert has not been charged with any wrongdoing. He has denied involvement in the attacks and has filed lawsuits against the Justice Department and The New York Times, alleging defamation.*
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...thrax_investigation_presses_on_3_years_later/
i could go all day, bringing those kind of facts, i didnt come with this conclusion for the fun of it.
Now are you able to give me evidence that oussama bin laden is behind 9-11??
Oups, i heard the toilet flushed on that one ,that is what happened when one side is too factual :wink:
Aeon, if you were to plan a perfect murder to work, wouldn't you worry if you missed one small detail ?
In order for you to do a perfect lie, wouldn't you
try to cover every possible angle to handle each
question to keep the cover up going and wouldn't you
worry about missing something ?
There is no doubt that Rumsfeld and company had
an eye on Iraq long before 9/11.
It's just that the elaborateness of the hoax is
believing in the stupidity and yet absolute superhuman
competence for these guys to pull it off.
Obviously Osama bin Laden takes credit for this.
You think al Jazeera is lying to us also ?
Why would Zarqawi who didn't get along with Osama
still decide to share the al Qaeda name in Iraq?
Has not the history of terrorism worldwide shown
that seperate cells of people gain notoriety first and
then find it useful to share the name, giving the
impression of a centralized monolithic unified movement ?
And individual issues of some hijackers still showing
up alive is not vetted at all, by a simple GOOGLE.
Is al Jazeera in collusion with this elaborate hoax ?
They seem to think Osama deserves the credit.
I think your hate of American policy, right as it is,
is getting in the way of your ability to assess objectively.
In order for you to do a perfect lie, wouldn't you
try to cover every possible angle to handle each
question to keep the cover up going and wouldn't you
worry about missing something ?
There is no doubt that Rumsfeld and company had
an eye on Iraq long before 9/11.
It's just that the elaborateness of the hoax is
believing in the stupidity and yet absolute superhuman
competence for these guys to pull it off.
Obviously Osama bin Laden takes credit for this.
You think al Jazeera is lying to us also ?
Why would Zarqawi who didn't get along with Osama
still decide to share the al Qaeda name in Iraq?
Has not the history of terrorism worldwide shown
that seperate cells of people gain notoriety first and
then find it useful to share the name, giving the
impression of a centralized monolithic unified movement ?
And individual issues of some hijackers still showing
up alive is not vetted at all, by a simple GOOGLE.
Is al Jazeera in collusion with this elaborate hoax ?
They seem to think Osama deserves the credit.
I think your hate of American policy, right as it is,
is getting in the way of your ability to assess objectively.
Re: RE: Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
The problem with those guys, is they missed great amount of detail, but again the masses doesnt see it, why?? because of the media, which are an ally to the 9-11 event.
That is why Bush administration put up a bi-partisan 9-11 comission, which took 432 days to be formed, when pearl harbor event took 9 days to get an investigation, that is why all the evidence of both world trade center, which are the debris, were sold to china,to avoid investigation on how the tower fells which was by the way a violation of us laws.
That is stragerring, rumsfeld wantted to go in iraq on september 12th, the day after 9-11, didnt even care of alquada, how can this be possible??? why didnt he want to punish the guilty one??
Oussama bin laden took credit 3 years after the event, on september 16 , and 28 th 2001, he denied the involvement, why suddenly would he accept it in 2004??
Because he is considered as a martyr, he is even more popular than michael jakson ever wanted to be around the world, so recruiting young desperate muslim around the world became way easier. ok i admit, this is an opinion, but that is the only thing that makes sense, think about it
Al jazeera is the arab fox news version, means -10 credibility. Aljazeera has a lot to gain from that claim that oussama bin laden is behind 9-11.
I admit american policy irrates me in any way, cause your leaders are arrogant, ignorant and more importantly retarded( i am not saying ours leaders are better, not close to it, i call my leaders COWARDS), and not to count your media, which if hitler had acces to those kind of media, we would all speak german today.THANK GOD AMERICAN ARENT LIKE THAT, cause whatever you say, your leader and media doesnt represent americans.
Their problem is quite simple is your media/gove think the american people and the rest of the world are retards just like they are, and we will swallow any stupidity they will say.
Now use your logic, when was the last time, alquada did an organised event like 9-11?? only on 9-11
All alquada attacks are all not really well organised, it is all about explosives and small target like bars,embassy, trains etcc
jimmoyer said:
The problem with those guys, is they missed great amount of detail, but again the masses doesnt see it, why?? because of the media, which are an ally to the 9-11 event.
jimmoyer said:
That is why Bush administration put up a bi-partisan 9-11 comission, which took 432 days to be formed, when pearl harbor event took 9 days to get an investigation, that is why all the evidence of both world trade center, which are the debris, were sold to china,to avoid investigation on how the tower fells which was by the way a violation of us laws.
jimmoyer said:
That is stragerring, rumsfeld wantted to go in iraq on september 12th, the day after 9-11, didnt even care of alquada, how can this be possible??? why didnt he want to punish the guilty one??
jimmoyer said:
Oussama bin laden took credit 3 years after the event, on september 16 , and 28 th 2001, he denied the involvement, why suddenly would he accept it in 2004??
Because he is considered as a martyr, he is even more popular than michael jakson ever wanted to be around the world, so recruiting young desperate muslim around the world became way easier. ok i admit, this is an opinion, but that is the only thing that makes sense, think about it
jimmoyer said:
Al jazeera is the arab fox news version, means -10 credibility. Aljazeera has a lot to gain from that claim that oussama bin laden is behind 9-11.
jimmoyer said:
I admit american policy irrates me in any way, cause your leaders are arrogant, ignorant and more importantly retarded( i am not saying ours leaders are better, not close to it, i call my leaders COWARDS), and not to count your media, which if hitler had acces to those kind of media, we would all speak german today.THANK GOD AMERICAN ARENT LIKE THAT, cause whatever you say, your leader and media doesnt represent americans.
Their problem is quite simple is your media/gove think the american people and the rest of the world are retards just like they are, and we will swallow any stupidity they will say.
Now use your logic, when was the last time, alquada did an organised event like 9-11?? only on 9-11
All alquada attacks are all not really well organised, it is all about explosives and small target like bars,embassy, trains etcc