Ex-Liberal MP 'ashamed' he was on Martin's team

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OTTAWA — Maverick MP and one-time cabinet minister David Kilgour says he's ashamed to have ever been part of Paul Martin's Liberal team.

"I'm appalled by the way the Liberal campaign (is going) and the way Martin and (top aide Scott) Reid and so many of them are conducting themselves,'' Kilgour said in an interview Tuesday.

"Actually, I'm ashamed to have a been a part of them.''

Kilgour quit the Liberals to sit as an independent last April, saying he was disgusted by the sponsorship scandal and the government's failure to provide what he deemed sufficient aid to war-torn Sudan. He is not seeking re-election.

The Edmonton MP started his political career in 1979 as a Progressive Conservative but was kicked out of Brian Mulroney's caucus in 1990 after he voted against the GST. He joined the Liberals in 1991 under Jean Chretien, who later made Kilgour a secretary of state responsible for Latin America and Africa and, eventually, for Asia Pacific.

When Martin took over from Chretien, he did not keep Kilgour in cabinet, even though he held one of only two Alberta Liberal seats.

Kilgour has not endorsed any other party in the Jan. 23 election but he said he is endorsing two Conservative candidates on their individual merits - Winnipeg MP Steven Fletcher and Montreal candidate Temzin Dargyal.

In his own riding of Edmonton-Beaumont, Kilgour predicted Conservative candidate Mike Lake will win handily "because people overwhelmingly want a change in government.'' He has not endorsed Lake but said he tells anyone who asks that they should not vote Liberal.

Kilgour said Reid's weekend gaffe, in which he said parents will "blow'' a proposed Conservative child care allowance on "popcorn and beer,'' is symptomatic of Liberal arrogance. And he denounced Martin as "a prime minister who has no scruples at all. He's prepared to say anything, anything.''

In particular, Kilgour derided Martin for spending billions on "any bridge he thinks will bring him a few votes,'' while refusing to honour Canada's longstanding commitment to devote 0.7 per cent of GDP to foreign aid.

Given the separatist Bloc Quebecois' massive lead in Quebec, Kilgour also said it's "particularly imprudent'' for Martin to be casting the campaign in that province as a ''referendum'' on secession

Moreover, Kilgour said Martin has little credibility in promising to ban all handguns, weapons which "to all intents and purposes are already banned.''

"In terms of taking a tough stand on crime, that's an area where the Liberals are particularly vulnerable,'' Kilgour said.
 

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Re: RE: Ex-Liberal MP 'ashame

Reverend Blair said:
Sounds like sour grapes to me.

This guy is an honourable man, who has fought for principles you support.

So he gets the back of your hand?

Why?

Because he is not flying an orange NDP flag?

Unfair, Rev.
 

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He's just another political hack with little moral base who goes wherever the political breezes take him.


I'd have to agree. missle.
....just like the rest of 'em, no loyalty. How can you trust that??
 

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He's not seeking re-election?

Was he asked? This sounds like a parting shot at the people who at some point considered him excess to requirements. The topic was posted by a Conservative supporter only to ridicule the Liberals.
 

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RE: Ex-Liberal MP 'ashame

That's what they excel at, Juan. Not a lot of substance to them...just rage.

Kilgour walked away from the Liberal Party because he didn't have the intestinal fortitude to stand on his own principles. He's pissed off because he knew he couldn't get re-elected as a Liberal and isn't popular enough to run as an independent.

He has stood on the right-hand of the Liberal party for his entire time in office and has never seemed overly comfortable there. Now he's endorsing right-wing candidates like Stephen Fletcher (Fletcher is a nasty piece of work...mean and petty with absolutely no sense of humour) and bashing his own colleagues.

Nothing but sour grapes. Wait to see who hires him and which party they support...that may give us an idea where those sour grapes come from.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
That's what they excel at, Juan. Not a lot of substance to them...just rage.

Kilgour walked away from the Liberal Party because he didn't have the intestinal fortitude to stand on his own principles. He's pissed off because he knew he couldn't get re-elected as a Liberal and isn't popular enough to run as an independent.

He has stood on the right-hand of the Liberal party for his entire time in office and has never seemed overly comfortable there. Now he's endorsing right-wing candidates like Stephen Fletcher (Fletcher is a nasty piece of work...mean and petty with absolutely no sense of humour) and bashing his own colleagues.

Nothing but sour grapes. Wait to see who hires him and which party they support...that may give us an idea where those sour grapes come from.

Ah, Rev.

Exactly how do you walk away from the party in power because you don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for your own principles? If he wasn't standing up for his principles, he would have stayed, played trained seal, and reaped his rewards.

Your comment doesn't make sense.

I( don't know anything about Fletcher beyond what I have read in an article or two, but were I in his position, I might be lacking a sense of humour as well.
 

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bhoour said:
missile said:
He's just another political hack with little moral base who goes wherever the political breezes take him.


I'd have to agree. missle.
....just like the rest of 'em, no loyalty. How can you trust that??

Simple.

When they jump ship for an award, like Stronach or that other arsehole that has become Martin's mouthpiece(you know, the MP from NS) (what the hell is his name? Alzheimer's setting in this morning) they are political prostitutes.

When they knowingly jump ship into political oblivion, they are principled.
 

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Your pathetic coldpy...did it ever occur to you!!!!! that maybe there are people at this board that have family members or loved ones with alzheimer's. How dare you use this disease for your political blathering.
 

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According to some CTV Poll,71% of us believe all politicians are corrupt :lol: I would've thought the percentage would have been much higher.
 

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It just means that 29% of us work for those politicians.... :)
 

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peapod said:
Your pathetic coldpy...did it ever occur to you!!!!! that maybe there are people at this board that have family members or loved ones with alzheimer's. How dare you use this disease for your political blathering.

Geez, Peapod, relax.

I was refering to my own loss of memory, not insulting anyone else.

Don't be so damned sensitive.

If anyone has an excuse for sensitivity on this issue, I have. Alzheimers runs through my family on my father's side. He died two years ago on the 20th, after laying practically catatonic in a bed for 18 months, which was preceeded by about 6 years of obvious, progressive mental deterioration. He was 86 when he died, thank God it was not early Alzheimer's.

I will, if there is no cure, probably suffer the same fate. My grandfather and aunt both did. They are the only family on that side.

So, perhaps you should not be preaching to me about sensitivity to Alzheimer's.

With me, joking about Alzheimer's is laughing in the devil's face.
 

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Exactly how do you walk away from the party in power because you don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for your own principles?

What principles was he standing up for? If he would have had principles, he would have stepped down and run in a by-election. He was within his rights not to, just like anybody else who quits the party they were elected with, but that doesn't make him principled. Political expediency is not a principle.

Your comment is based on shallow, unprincipled rhetoric.
 

Colpy

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Reverend Blair said:
Exactly how do you walk away from the party in power because you don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for your own principles?

What principles was he standing up for? If he would have had principles, he would have stepped down and run in a by-election. He was within his rights not to, just like anybody else who quits the party they were elected with, but that doesn't make him principled. Political expediency is not a principle.

Your comment is based on shallow, unprincipled rhetoric.

No Rev.

I agree that MPs who cross the floor should resign and run in a by-election.

But to call his leaving the Liberal party "political expediency" is simply ludicrous.

The Liberals, in case you hadn't noticed, are in power in this country. They hand out the power and the perks. To spit in their face, and then leave politics is hardly "political expediency".

This guy has principles. He dumped the PCs when they were in power on a principle as well.

Don't you understand the concept?

Or are you so blind you think only people of the political colour of Svend Robinson have principles?

Now there's a joke.
 

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RE: Ex-Liberal MP 'ashame

I understand the concept just fine. Kilgour looked around his riding and saw Liberal support falling and said, "I'm boned." He never got the call from the Conservatives though...they hung him out to dry...and his personal popularity and funding isn't enough to get him re-elected. Now he's bitter. Tough.
 

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I understand the concept just fine. Kilgour looked around his riding and saw Liberal support falling and said, "I'm boned." He never got the call from the Conservatives though...they hung him out to dry...and his personal popularity and funding isn't enough to get him re-elected. Now he's bitter. Tough.

Were that true, he could simply have negotiated a floor crossing to the CPC, or stayed with the Liberals and taken his chances.

My understanding is that he is quite popular in his riding.