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"Statistics" on homosexual couples!! You got to be kidding. Up until about 20 years ago you'd see "odd couples" and I've known a few to say hello to on the street, but at that time their sexual orientation, officially speaking didn't exist, yet these same "couples" persevered for years, so I think your "statistics" are just so much B.S.
Yep, it can be difficult to drive any sense into them.
Well Elton John has admitted to sexual encounters with hundreds of men, and spent a good part of the 80s and 90s addicted to cocaine. He seems a classic case of profligate homosexual lifestye.. except he's rich.. instead of an aging, impoverished recluse. The average number of sexual partners for heterosexual men in the West prior to marriage is 4, usually in the context of an extended relationship.. for homosexuals it is a 1000+, almost all anonymous and singular. Homosexual 'marriages' seldom involve any form of fidelity.. hence they are mere conveniences.. platforms for promiscuity. Misery seeks company.. and these 'marriages' are mere cases of companions in misery.
Don't hold your breath, karrie. As for homosexual priests... you are correct in saying that the definition of a homosexual for the Church is one who actually practices homosexuality.. however.. the inclination to homosexuality is deemed to be a sign of a severely disordered identity and profound sexual immaturity and is inconsistent with a call to the priesthood. Since the abuse scandal prospective priests are given a battery of tests and in depth interviews to determine the authenticity of their vocation. If any deep orientation to or fascination with homosexuality is detected.. the candidate will be excluded. That's the policy.
Since you're so nitpicky about wording.... the church states that homosexual SEX is disordered, NOT that homosexual inclination is.
And, I find it interesting that you know so rigidly that the church bans gays, when the Vatican states otherwise.
"In November 2005, the Vatican completed an Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders. Publication was made through the Congregation for Catholic Education. According to the new policy, men with "transitory" homosexual leanings may be ordained deacons following three years of prayer and chastity. However, men with "deeply rooted homosexual tendencies" or who are sexually active cannot be ordained. No new moral teaching was contained in the instruction: the instruction proposed by the document is rather towards enhancing vigilance in barring homosexuals from seminaries, and from the priesthood. As the title of the document indicates, it concerned exclusively candidates with homosexual tendencies, not other candidates."
BTW, for clarification for anyone who wants to make mountains out of molehills, any heterosexual man who displays deeply rooted hetero tendencies, when he's supposed to be abstinent, would not be a contender for the priesthood either.
The church does not state that it is due to them being gay.... it does not state that it is 'deeply disordered' to have an inclination. It is simply a function of the issue of abstinence.
Your assertion was that they will not allow gay priests. They absolutely will.
This is the authoratitive document concerning homosexuality by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.. as issued by its Prefect at the time, Cardinal Josef Ratzinger.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...faith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
It is quite lengthy but contains this and other characterizations of the nature and origins of homosexuality. None of which are natural or divine.. but all products of our pride and alienation from God.
It does deal with activity.. but any activity is a manifestation of an underlying motive.. which is in this case.. both profoundly unnatural and wilfull.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...faith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
It is quite lengthy but contains this and other characterizations of the nature and origins of homosexuality. None of which are natural or divine.. but all products of our pride and alienation from God.
It does deal with activity.. but any activity is a manifestation of an underlying motive.. which is in this case.. both profoundly unnatural and wilfull.
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BTW, for anyone who's curious, and hasn't spent much time in the Catholic church, I've had three priests in my assorted congregations, that very obviously were homosexual, as well as being related to a Catholic priest who's a great uncle, who is clearly homosexual. All are abstinent presumably, so their sexuality is a moot point, but it's obvious. And those are simply the priests who were obvious. Not all homosexuality is apparent.
activity.
3 years of chastity, show that you can be abstinent, and you're accepted to the priesthood, regardless of your inclinations prior
activity.
3 years of chastity, show that you can be abstinent, and you're accepted to the priesthood, regardless of your inclinations prior
That's not what your document sais. It sais a deep inclination to homosexuality is inconsistent with the priesthood.
As is a deep inclination to being female. A deep disinclination to honest work, however, is a plus.
So is a deep inclination to engage in heterosexual behaviour.
Someone who is gay, but abstinent and likely to stay that way, is eligible for the priesthood.
Really. Hung around a lot of priests have you?
That's not the policy, karrie. Most men, even priests.. have inclinations to healthy sexuality.. within a chaste family life at its most constructive. That is the nature of a sacrificial priesthood.. it involves giving up through celibacy this divine and natural gift.
A committed homosexual.. deeply oriented to the disorder.. although celibate.. is still ineligible for the priesthood in a strict sense. Sure some get through.... but so do priests who are thieves, murderers...
You seem intent of pressing the point that the Church sees no difference between heterosexuality and homosexuality as primary motive, if not acted upon. That is simply not the case.
Georgetown and Notre Dame and a host of other 'Catholic' Universities should have had their 'Catholic' status rescinded when they sanctioned GLBT social organizations and endorsed abortion as a 'woman's right'. There are a few real Catholic higher educational institutions left.. but they tend to be small and shun all government grants.. which come with strings.
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Most priests I know put in a pretty long work week. But perhaps it's more noticeable in small towns.