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[FONT=Verdana,Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]ESTIMATES BASED ON ESTIMATES[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial] Malcom Lagauche[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Tony Blair told the truth on July 18, 2004. Not one word in U.S. press.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]

February 27, 2007

The number of deaths attributed to Saddam Hussein by the West is incomprehensible. If you add them all up, it seems he killed more people than the number who inhabit Iraq. He had to work overtime and must have had advanced weaponry of which no one is aware.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Numbers and techniques abound: 182,000 during the Anfal campaign (Despite the numbers, not one body has been found. Maybe Saddam had a secret vaporizing ray); 5,000 in Halabja (About 300 bodies were found and there is much doubt as to the origin of the gas used against the Kurds); and hundreds of thousands in the south of Iraq. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]In November 2003, word came out that more than 400,000 bodies had been discovered in mass graves in Iraq. "The whole country is a mass graveyard" was the slogan of the day. Finally, proof of Saddam being the Butcher of Baghdad was there for the whole world to see. Case closed.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Let’s go forward a few months from the discovery of the almost half million bodies. On July 18, 2004, the headline of the day for the British paper The Independent read, "British Prime Minister Admits Graves Claim Untrue." How could that be? George Bush and Tony Blair don’t lie. If we can’t trust them, who can we trust? Certainly not Saddam, even though he told the truth about WMD. That must have been a fluke.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]According to the article:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that "about 400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves" is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The claims by Blair in November and December of last year (2003) were given widespread credence, quoted by MPs and widely published, including in the introduction to a U.S. government pamphlet on Iraq’s mass graves.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]In that publication, Iraq’s Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves, produced by USAID, the U.S. government aid distribution agency, Blair is quoted from 20 November last year: We’ve already discovered, just so far, the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Here’s what the USAID website stated:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]If these numbers prove accurate, they represent a crime against humanity surpassed only by the Rwandan genocide of 1994, Pol Pot’s Cambodian killing fields in the 1970s, and the Nazi Holocaust of World War II.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]I assume that USAID did not hear about the two million Iraqis who died at the hands of the U.S.-imposed embargo from 1990-2003. After all, they’re Iraqis: they don’t count.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The same article delved into the regression of other elevated figures attributed to Saddam Hussein and the Ba’ath regime in the north of the country. For instance, it mentioned that Human Rights Watch admitted it had to drastically decrease its figures of deaths and could not give an accurate figure.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The irony here is that not one person went to Iraq to corroborate the figures. Human Rights Watch and other groups just took the figures given to them as accurate. Hania Mufti, who performed research that produced the original inflated figures in the north stated: "Our estimates were based on estimates. The eventual figure was based in part on circumstantial information gathered over the years."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Imagine even the most lowly offense being tried in a U.S. court system and the prosecutor said that his case was based on estimates of estimates. The case would be dismissed and the judge would reprimand the prosecution for even making a case.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]However, this is not so with Iraq. Just say "Saddam did it" and affix a preposterous scenario and figures and it is taken for truth. The blood of millions of Iraqis lies on the hands of these despicable groups and people who have tried to outdo themselves in demonizing Saddam Hussein, the Ba’ath Party, and the Iraqi public in general.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The list is long: Human Rights Watch; Amnesty International; all the foreign-domiciled Iraqi stooges who came back to Iraq after April 2003; with the exception of a few individuals, the entire U.S. government (Democrat and Republican alike); Tony Blair; the U.S. mainstream media; and many, many, many more. They all are involved in the mass murder of millions of Iraqis.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The date of July 18, 2004 should be heralded as much as other dates in world history. It was the date on which the truth about Iraqi mass graves was published. However, not one word appeared in the U.S. press. And, within a day or two, Blair quickly changed directions and came up with other ploys to downplay the announcement that he had lied on a massive scale.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]If we take a look at the existing 5,000 bodies, most, if not all, are males of military age. Forensic tests have proven that many in the south were killed by U.S. bombs in Desert Storm. If you look at a map, you will see that the south of Iraq was heavily bombed in January and February 1991. Add to that the possibility of some bodies being from the Iraqi army that fought the 1991 Shi’ite attempt at overthrowing the Iraqi government and we see that the number of innocent civilians killed by Saddam has quickly decreased dramatically from 400,000. Recent forensic tests on bodies in the north of Iraq indicated that most had been killed in the 1990s. During that time, Baghdad had no control over the north. The U.S. had isolated it from the rest of Iraq. And, two Kurdish factions fought an internal war in the 1990s, killing many. Logic would state that most, if not all, of the bodies found in the north of Iraq were created by the Kurdish civil war. Scientific testing, not hearsay or sloppy journalism, indicates that the vast majority of the 5,000 bodies found had nothing to do with an orchestrated campaign by Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath Party.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]I wonder how many people were curious at the method of trying Saddam for the deaths of "182,000" Kurds during the Anfal campaign in 1988. No real witnesses came forth at Saddam's trial. A few people told of how they heard of a friend in a nearby village who was gassed. That was it. If 182,000 people were killed, many by gas, there would have been many witnesses of a slaughter, but none appeared. No forensic evidence came forth.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]After Saddam was hanged, the Iraqi stooge court dropped the Anfal charges against him. What was supposed to be the "trial of the century" and bring out the despicable acts of murdering 182,000 people, fizzled.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]There was no case and the court knew it would issue a guilty verdict against Saddam for another bogus charge and that it need not continue with the Anfal trial. It couldn’t because there was nothing to try.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Outsiders were curious why Saddam was never tried for the Anfal campaign or for the gassing of Kurds at Halabja, his two most perceived ghastly actions. There were no cases.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Human Rights Watch has not been penalized for perpetrating one of the biggest lies in history. It just goes along making accusations against myriad regimes the U.S. does not favor. But, because of the demonizing of Saddam Hussein, more than three million Iraqis since January 17, 1991 have been killed. Saddam Hussein should not have been on the docket in a kangaroo Baghdad court. Human Rights Watch should have been in a Baghdad court with real judges dishing out penalties for the group’s involvement in the murdering of millions of Iraqis.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The statement "history is written by the victors" is only partially true in the case of Iraq. Here, fairy tales of the most outrageous kind have been written under the guise of history.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Remember July 18, 2004. [/FONT]

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#juan

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There is a rule DB, that says you can't engage in an illegal invasion of a country who is not threatening your country, unless you can show that the leader of the country you propose to invade, is at least as bad as you are. I think the U.S. and the Brits followed that rule pretty well.:wave:
 

darkbeaver

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There is a rule DB, that says you can't engage in an illegal invasion of a country who is not threatening your country, unless you can show that the leader of the country you propose to invade, is at least as bad as you are. I think the U.S. and the Brits followed that rule pretty well.:wave:

That's only two sentences Juan, and you lost me. You're good. Wait a minute. I'm confused, launch the invasion.:wave: