Electric shock: A new study found that EVs were more expensive to fuel than gas-powered cars at the end of 2022

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Somebody has to keep the power transmision lines from hydro and roads open for natives, miners, weirdo off griders and tree poachers.
Once upon a time, the logging companies did that themselves. Now, some FSRs are "maintained" by highways, some by logging companies that use them, some by MoF, and most not at all. And we have a few querky ones on the Island that as far as I know don't exist anywhere else. We have highways that off highway logging tucks use. Nice wide lanes to accomadate 14 ft wide trucks. Top of Gibsons mountain to Pt Alice, and Gold River townsite to the ocean. Kemano, which is really odd, because the only thing there is the power generation for Kitamat smelter, which has a crew of about 12 in camp. About 13 km from the dock to camp.
 

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Once upon a time, the logging companies did that themselves. Now, some FSRs are "maintained" by highways, some by logging companies that use them, some by MoF, and most not at all. And we have a few querky ones on the Island that as far as I know don't exist anywhere else. We have highways that off highway logging tucks use. Nice wide lanes to accomadate 14 ft wide trucks. Top of Gibsons mountain to Pt Alice, and Gold River townsite to the ocean. Kemano, which is really odd, because the only thing there is the power generation for Kitamat smelter, which has a crew of about 12 in camp. About 13 km from the dock to camp.
Good sources for dead fall firewood.
 

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Long time since there , North Island was a forgotten Eden , sounds like that is changing .
Pt Hardy really went for a shit after the mine closed. Finally got a decent Coast Guard station. Lots of government offices, mostly staffed by people with social work degrees telling the rest of the survivors how they should become self employed. I was up there for several daays about this time last year repairing the old Robert Scott School. It is now about half daycare and half social worker offices. Seagate is gone. The pub is now storage. Tbird pub is a church, but the hotel part is still running.
 

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Pt Hardy really went for a shit after the mine closed. Finally got a decent Coast Guard station. Lots of government offices, mostly staffed by people with social work degrees telling the rest of the survivors how they should become self employed. I was up there for several daays about this time last year repairing the old Robert Scott School. It is now about half daycare and half social worker offices. Seagate is gone. The pub is now storage. Tbird pub is a church, but the hotel part is still running.
Wow the Seagate was like home for three months and when not there at the TBird . Some changes are not for the better . Can’t remember the name but there used to be a lounge on the hill up from Seagate .
 
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Wow the Seagate was like home for three months and when not there at the TBird . Some changes are not for the better . Can’t remember the name but there used to be a lounge on the hill up from Seagate .
That would be Seagate pub, if you mean right above the old part of the hotel. There is North Shore, just across from carrot park.
 

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That would be Seagate pub, if you mean right above the old part of the hotel. There is North Shore, just across from carrot park.
I think it must have been North Shore . It was not the Seagate Pub it was on a side road looking east over the park and Seagate wharf .
 
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For you maybe. We regularly drive shit roads, pack loads, tow a boat, etc. We have a newish truck for this, a 30 yr old truck that I use for work, use it to launch in salt water as well. A 23 yr old awd beater with a heater(most of the time) that I use for running around with the hairball, and a near new Prius halfbreed awd for basic running around and sometimes day trips with no dog.
Last summer we took a trip to SanJosph Bay, which is about 5 hrs from here. The last 40 or so miles is logging road. Used to be a nice localish beach when I lived in Pt Hardy. If there were a dozen people on the beachit was considered busy and you probably knew half of them If not, you would by the end of the day. Las summer there were about a hundred vehicles in the parking lot, which is about a km closer to the beach and 10 times the size it used to be, and on the road. Lots of city SUVs, and the people that drive them clearly believe the commercials for their toys. They were pounding through potholes, passing my 1 ton truck like we were standing still. Never buy a used SUV at the Vancouver car auction.
Good for you to get out and participate in what must be fabulous country. Some day maybe for me. I did make Kitimat and Port Rupert 6 or so years ago.

We're good here in NW Ontario with pretty well nothing but lakes to explore and play. Lots of near to surface Canadian Shield with plenty of outcrops for the geology buffs. And logging roads that go forever.

Could be the age demographic only driving a few times a week that has me thinking cars are being used less as well.
 

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Good for you to get out and participate in what must be fabulous country. Some day maybe for me. I did make Kitimat and Port Rupert 6 or so years ago.

We're good here in NW Ontario with pretty well nothing but lakes to explore and play. Lots of near to surface Canadian Shield with plenty of outcrops for the geology buffs. And logging roads that go forever.

Could be the age demographic only driving a few times a week that has me thinking cars are being used less as well.
And mosquitoes, don’t forget them .
 

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On the same day Prime Minister Mark Carney confirmed that François-Philippe Champagne was his permanent choice for finance minister, news broke showing precisely why he’s the wrong man for the job.
The Trudeau government’s EV strategy expressed a legitimate ambition, but it does not appear to have weighed seriously the prospect that EV demand was not inevitably going to be governed by hockey stick economics — that is, slow growth followed by a sudden, sharp and sustained increase. Trudeau’s imprudence was apparent in the whopping nature of the subsidies.
Champagne was the man who captained former prime minister Justin Trudeau’s electric vehicle (EV) crusade. He teamed up with the government of Ontario to give over $50 billion of taxpayer cash to the EV industry to try to get electric cars and factories built in Canada.
Wednesday’s report from the financial news site Nikkei Asia that Honda has suspended its plan to build a $15-billion electric vehicle plant in Ontario indefinitely comes as no surprise — particularly not to the federal government, which was told in January, sources say.
The crown jewel “investment” Champagne secured was from Honda. In April 2024, Honda announced plans to invest $15 billion to retool a factory to build EVs, as well as build a new EV battery plant, in Alliston, Ontario.
Adam Chambers, the Conservative international trade critic, told reporters on Wednesday that the subsidies on offer by Ottawa induced some manufacturers to move traditional vehicle production outside of Canada to make room for subsidized electric vehicles😳, and now the market isn’t there for them. “Instead of rethinking their entire policy, they (Liberals) are doubling down,” he said. “You saw last night, the Japanese ambassador suggesting that access to the U.S. market for automakers is integral to having production here. If we don’t have access to the U.S. market, we do not have an industry.”
 

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The Trudeau government’s EV strategy expressed a legitimate ambition, but it does not appear to have weighed seriously the prospect that EV demand was not inevitably going to be governed by hockey stick economics — that is, slow growth followed by a sudden, sharp and sustained increase. Trudeau’s imprudence was apparent in the whopping nature of the subsidies.

Wednesday’s report from the financial news site Nikkei Asia that Honda has suspended its plan to build a $15-billion electric vehicle plant in Ontario indefinitely comes as no surprise — particularly not to the federal government, which was told in January, sources say.

Adam Chambers, the Conservative international trade critic, told reporters on Wednesday that the subsidies on offer by Ottawa induced some manufacturers to move traditional vehicle production outside of Canada to make room for subsidized electric vehicles😳, and now the market isn’t there for them. “Instead of rethinking their entire policy, they (Liberals) are doubling down,” he said. “You saw last night, the Japanese ambassador suggesting that access to the U.S. market for automakers is integral to having production here. If we don’t have access to the U.S. market, we do not have an industry.”
Experts say no shit Sherlock .
 

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“You saw last night, the Japanese ambassador suggesting that access to the U.S. market for automakers is integral to having production here. If we don’t have access to the U.S. market, we do not have an industry.”
“What we think is that, from a government perspective, they found an agreement between the Canadian government and the Chinese government, [so] there will be also an agreement between the U.S. government and the Chinese government,” says Trantini.
“That’s what we hope and we think it might happen. We know that President [Donald] Trump is meeting President Xi Jinping soon and we hope there will be some good news. Once this tariff will also go away in the U.S., we will reopen the market as well.”

Lotus is not yet selling the standard Eletre in the United States, where high tariffs still exist against Chinese EVs. It did, however, import 30 Carbons to the U.S. and sold every one, tariffs and all. They were priced at US$225,000 and each one was optioned up to US$245,000, which is about $90,000 above our price. The only difference was the paint colour and that American models had carbon-ceramic brakes. Clearly, we’re getting a much better deal than our neighbours to the south. Hell of a test drive.

Cheaper cars from makers such as BYD and Chery are not yet confirmed, but Canada’s trade agreement with China calls for 49,000 vehicles to be imported by next March at a tariff of 6.1 per cent. This number will rise to 70,000 a year by 2030, with at least half of them priced at $35,000 or less, but for now, it’s first come, first served, and these Eletres are part of that initial 49,000.

Base price/as tested: $119,900/$179,000, plus freight and pre-delivery inspection, plus fees and taxes including the luxury tax

Motor/Battery: 675-kilowatt dual-motor, 800-volt architecture/112 kilowatt-hour

Horsepower/Torque: Standard: 600 hp/524 lbs.-ft.; Carbon: 905 hp/726 lbs.-ft.

Drive: All-wheel drive

Power consumption (NRCan ratings)/Charging capacity: 27.4 kilowatt-hours/100 kilometres/355 kilowatts (CCS)

Curb weight: 2,565 kilograms (=5655lbs). The 1978 Cadillac Coupe de Ville had a base curb weight of approximately 4,163 to 4,270 pounds with its standard engine being a 425ci (7.0L) V8 for perspective.

Range (claimed): Standard: 400 kilometres; Carbon: 385 kilometres

Alternatives: Porsche Cayenne EV, Porsche Macan EV, Audi Q8 e-tron, BMW iX, Mercedes-AMG EQE, Lucid Gravity, Tesla Model X

Lotus is first to sell its Chinese EV here because it was all ready to go for North America when it was stalled by 100 per cent U.S. tariffs introduced by the Biden administration in May 2024. Canada followed with similar 100 per cent tariffs five months later. Lotus is majority-owned by China’s Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd., and the cars were already being built at a huge assembly plant in Wuhan. They’d been homologated – tested and approved for sale – for North America, but became untenable when the price doubled.