"Election-Iraq" turning nasty.

jimmoyer

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Allawi was the interim leader during the
constitution-writing phase. I liked what I read of
him. He's secular, shi-ite backround but also trusted
by the moderate sunni.

Generally each district went with the majority
whether fraud or not. Not one sunni minority
won in a shi-ite area. No one shi-ite minority won
in a sunnia area. No one else won but the Kurds
in the 3 districts the Kurds dominate.

So the vote pretty much followed the majority
in that district.

The fraud needs investigation, but the fraud
would have had to be statistically
gargantuan in order to upset
the majority in each region, and no upset occurred.
 

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Sunni Arabs call Baghdad election results fraudulent, demand redress

A teaser:

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Sunni Arabs alleged today that last week's parliamentary elections were fraudulent, especially in Baghdad province, and they said unless the irregularities are corrected, new balloting must be held in Iraq's largest electoral district.

An electoral commission official said that while more than 1,000 complaints from the Dec. 15 vote had been received and were being investigated, only 20 were "very serious," and he didn't expect them to change the overall result, which will be announced in early January.[/teaser]

mmmm........
 

jimmoyer

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mmmm.... what ?

Is that a knowing "mmmm...." ?

Do you also realize that the majority in
each region won?

Any fraud to have actually caused an upset
by a minority over a majority would have
needed to be huge.

The Sunni, by the way, won handily in each
district they dominate.

Does it please you to find something wrong
with the vote?

Did any majority in their own region lose?

Let's keep moving the process forward. Let Allawi
and others investigate the passion that led to
those abuses. Let them work it out. It is the
education of the process.

Were you one of those who had the soft bigotry
of low expectations that this country doesn't know
how to do a democracy ?

Over 10 million voted. It's statistically impossible
to make 10 million lies.

It's almost statistically impossible to make 2 percent
of that 10 million to be lies.

Abuse will certainly occur as the process moves
forward to more stabilized behavior.

The real accomplishment was getting the Sunni
to join into the vote, and they all got to see they
won their own districts.
 

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Vanni Fucci

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Oh Jimmy...surely you're intelligent enough to recognize that unless the elections had the sustained appearance of being absolutely free of corruption that the results would be degenerative...

Coercion Marred Iraq Elections: Experts

The unexpected high results for the Shiite parties in Baghdad province had angered Sunni political parties and led them and former Prime Minister Iyad Allawi and his supporters to suspect foul play, Campbell said.

Baghdad Province, you say? Well I'm sure that's a region of no great political consequence...

Perhaps in the papers, the word parliamentary was read by too many as paramilitary?
 

Ocean Breeze

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http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20051222/iraq_game_over.php


Iraq: Game over??? Next stop , Civil war???

(Damn that bush bastard anyhow :x ......but you can bet he will be "remembered". He doesn't even have to write his memoirs. They are being written daily... :x

..........wait a second. Not sure he can write anyhow.

what a cold , controlling power junkie. :x

If things deteriorate in Iraq.....(how much lower can they go??).......the US will use its' trusty formula and BLAME THE IRAQIS..(as if the Iraqis have had any choice in matters to date)......How sick is that??
 

jimmoyer

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Oh Jimmy...surely you're intelligent enough to recognize that unless the elections had the sustained appearance of being absolutely free of corruption that the results would be degenerative...
-----------------------------------Vanni Fucci-------

Time will tell, Vanni.

You guys might be right.

I'm just not jumping off every headline, every article.

There are good trends and bad trends here.

There are weaker forces for moderation and more
dominant forces for extremism.

The Sunni won every district they dominate.
So did the Shia. So did the Kurds.

The real disaster would have been if they didn't.

In fact that was the disaster during the Saddam years
and now it's something the Shia has earned.

Now the one Bagdad district needs further
examination of all the facts, the percentages.

The Sunni have long believed they comprise 40
percent and spout that belief alot, especially
under Saddam, but according
to most outside sources in the West (not the US)
they comprise only 20 percent.

Even 2 percent error and fraud is 200,000 votes
of the 10 million voters.

Each partisan observer of this election JUMPS
at the first headline that supports their bias.

Including me.

But let's watch the process mature, if it can.

If we can hope for that?

They're learning too, this new found power.
 

Karlin

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"Chalabi, Judith Miller Source and Exile Leader, Gets Less than 1% in Election "

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Chalabi was the installed leader wsn't he? The USA put him there?

He was former CIA etc. American diplomat, American educated.

So if the election was rigged, results skewed, why how could Chalibi only get "300 votes"?

Ah HA!! - he must have pissed off the Americans. Maybe he got some backbone and tried to save Iraq for the Iraqis.

He was Judith Miller's source too. Chalabi says "fraud", USA says "fair" election - they got what they wanted, Chalabi outta there!

Do ya think?


"The election results in Iraq may present Chalabi’s ardent U.S. supporters with a quandary: Chalabi, as well as other losing candidates, is alleging fraud in the election, even though the Bush administration hailed the vote as a historic step for democracy in Iraq," NBC reports. Indeed, the country is now in political turmoil over this.

During the election, Chalabi’s campaign posters proclaimed, "We Liberated Iraq."

Just last month, with the help of major U.S. lobbyists, he toured this country, meeting with Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and appeared widely on American television
 

Ocean Breeze

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Karlin said:
December 22, 2005
"Chalabi, Judith Miller Source and Exile Leader, Gets Less than 1% in Election "

http://tinyurl.com/7o7z5


Chalabi was the installed leader wsn't he? The USA put him there?

He was former CIA etc. American diplomat, American educated.

So if the election was rigged, results skewed, why how could Chalibi only get "300 votes"?

Ah HA!! - he must have pissed off the Americans. Maybe he got some backbone and tried to save Iraq for the Iraqis.

He was Judith Miller's source too. Chalabi says "fraud", USA says "fair" election - they got what they wanted, Chalabi outta there!

Do ya think?


"The election results in Iraq may present Chalabi’s ardent U.S. supporters with a quandary: Chalabi, as well as other losing candidates, is alleging fraud in the election, even though the Bush administration hailed the vote as a historic step for democracy in Iraq," NBC reports. Indeed, the country is now in political turmoil over this.

During the election, Chalabi’s campaign posters proclaimed, "We Liberated Iraq."

Just last month, with the help of major U.S. lobbyists, he toured this country, meeting with Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and appeared widely on American television

that would be the way I would "read " it. It fits the US pattern of behavior.....
 

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Ah HA!! - he must have pissed off the Americans.

Isn't Chalabi being investigated by the FBI, for selling US secrets to his good friends, the Iranians? I imagine that would do the trick.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Hard-Luck Henry said:
Ah HA!! - he must have pissed off the Americans.

Isn't Chalabi being investigated by the FBI, for selling US secrets to his good friends, the Iranians? I imagine that would do the trick.

them americans sure know how to pik 'em , don't they. :? :wink:
 

jimmoyer

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We should have let the psychotic police state
of Saddam continue to poison his own people
and poison the Middle East --- they were certainly
better off that way.

Same for North Koreans.

We just gotta stay out of it.

Just like a NewYorker watching a mugging.
It's none of your business.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: "Election-Iraq" turning nasty.

jimmoyer said:
We should have let the psychotic police state
of Saddam continue to poison his own people
and poison the Middle East --- they were certainly
better off that way.

Same for North Koreans.

We just gotta stay out of it.

Just like a NewYorker watching a mugging.
It's none of your business.

seeing as how you are making analogies........try the american police who are now being shaped into functioning per: police state.......literally.

and yes.........some things ARE best left alone. Change happens, and not in the way one might predict . And the change from within is FAR SUPERIOR to that FORCED on a population from the outside.and by DESTRUCTION. ( that is not a challenging concept to grasp)

re: NY mugging eg. You live in an aggressive area , you take your chances. NY is particularly well known for "every man for himself...." ..........so it don't apply

The poor Iraqis have not had any say in any of this since the barbarians invaded. The elections have been cosmetic for the most part.......but the Iraqis have no choice but to cling to every bit of hope they have and every morsal the US offers them. ......to Oppose the occupation is to get killed.