EGO---Is Self an Illusion ?

china

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ONEENO :
in what sense are you using the term reality..
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when one does not perceive one's selfe
 

The Project Man

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Clarification needed!

What is it going to be?

The Caracal Kid

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heh... eliminate the ego via brianwashing. First tell them they have an ego, then tell them they need to eliminate the ego, then tell them only you can take them to the enlightened state.

Or,

Come to the understanding that a singular separate "you" does not exist. That "the ego" is an illusion cast by the single greatest impediment to humanity's evolution, self-awareness. For self awareness is a fraud. It is the over-emphasis on a detached entity which is not detatched.

The ego is not part of the survival instinct. Insticts function at a much lower level and do NOT require this self-awareness necessary for the manifestation of the concept of ego.


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POST #38

where does it begin?
the ego is a self generating concept. To create sepearation it focuses on differentiation. It begins in the perceptual processes. It is a valuable survival process to distinguish between threat and friend, between tribe member and invader, etc. This however, allowed to run free creates the isolation illusion of the ego. One may see himself as separate, but he is not. He is using the perception of separation to define him, and thus is as dependent upon those perceived as "different" as the egoless are on their perception of familiarity. The difference is the the one serving the ego, is also serving those incorrectly perceived as separate.
 

the caracal kid

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sorry for the confusion there, project man.

In the first post you quoted: "it is not part of the survival instinct" I am refering to the automatic processes present in all animals that do not have any dependency on a self-awareness.

In the second post you quoted" "it is a valuable survival process". What I am refering to is a process of self-awareness taking the automatic processes (from the first post) and building more complex processes on top of them. The full sentence was "It is a valuable survival process to distinguish between threat and friend, between tribe member and invader, etc." which is refering to survival instincts, not the ego.

The ego is not part of the survival instinct, but it utilizes those functions as a part of its own foundation. (note: it needs that foundation only in the building process. once established, the ego can be independent of those survival instincts)
 

The Project Man

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sorry for the confusion there, project man.

In the first post you quoted: "it is not part of the survival instinct" I am refering to the automatic processes present in all animals that do not have any dependency on a self-awareness.

In the second post you quoted" "it is a valuable survival process". What I am refering to is a process of self-awareness taking the automatic processes (from the first post) and building more complex processes on top of them. The full sentence was "It is a valuable survival process to distinguish between threat and friend, between tribe member and invader, etc." which is refering to survival instincts, not the ego.

The ego is not part of the survival instinct, but it utilizes those functions as a part of its own foundation. (note: it needs that foundation only in the building process. once established, the ego can be independent of those survival instincts)

Thanks Kid,
Sorry to bring the 'physical' into this but, is that not like the respiratory system relying on the autonomic nervous system. Surely it seems to be independent, but infarct without whole it would be useless.
 
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MikeyDB

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sorry for butting in here but I know I exist....

I keep getting bills in the mail...

Yeah OK that's rather existential in "qualia" ain't it!?
 

boagie

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Hi All!

sorry for butting in here but I know I exist....

I keep getting bills in the mail...

Yeah OK that's rather existential in "qualia" ain't it!?

Mikey,good thoughts,yes I get bills too,this self-wareness can get scary!

I was just thinking,would it not be easier to think of ego as a condition,is ego not the relationship of subject to object----sounds inhuman I know, but add emotion and ego is the emotional state of the subject in relation to its object[the physical world].The emotional state called ego is tested everyday in one and all of us.Emotional cripples,and I've seen them,have next to no ego.Just a thought from a newbie!

I am headed for the light on God's back porch!!!!
 

L Gilbert

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Ego is simply our sense of self. It is a result of the electrochemical processes in our brains, which in turn reacts to genetic influences and environmental influences. It produces things like the urge to survive, to make whooppee, to look at art, to have conversations, etc.