Ecnomics of Ruin 101

[Jay]

Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

We are the product of our past, not of the future. I know what idealist want but I also know it isn't going to happen, so lets just hope for freedom, and fight for it where we have to....in other words don't vote Liberal.

 

[the caracal kid]

"We are the product of our past"

on this we can agree.

but never let the path that led to where you are be so prefered just because you came of it!

 

[Doryman]

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freedom and slavery are within, not without!

ask what will bends to what, and how far.
that will show how free you are.

and if this is still not clear,
let me give these words to hear:

"when i know not who i am, i serve you.
when i know who i am, i am you"

You can say a lot with half-cocked pseudo philosophy.

Yet by saying a lot one says very little. Ideas are contrived by those that contrive them, who are in turn turned out by the turning face of Capitalist greed. This greed allows one to buy freedom, yet this freedom cannot be free, even though it was freely given by those who gave it. This freedom is only slavery, wherein the slaves that buy slaves only enslave one another, and only in slavery can one be free to be a slave. The way is clear. The path is true. The road that is no road is open to me.

Lend me you cell phone, friend, I have to tell Starbucks I'll be in late today, due to philosophical rumination.


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So what do you think folks? Do I qualify for my membership in the Cryptic Marxist Junior Philosophers League? :lol:

 

[I think not]

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You can say a lot with half-cocked pseudo philosophy.

Yet by saying a lot one says very little. Ideas are contrived by those that contrive them, who are in turn turned out by the turning face of Capitalist greed. This greed allows one to buy freedom, yet this freedom cannot be free, even though it was freely given by those who gave it. This freedom is only slavery, wherein the slaves that buy slaves only enslave one another, and only in slavery can one be free to be a slave. The way is clear. The path is true. The road that is no road is open to me.

Lend me you cell phone, friend, I have to tell Starbucks I'll be in late today, due to philosophical rumination.


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So what do you think folks? Do I qualify for my membership in the Cryptic Marxist Junior Philosophers League? :lol:

Yep :thumbright:

 

[Jay]

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So what do you think folks? Do I qualify for my membership in the Cryptic Marxist Junior Philosophers League? :lol:

And we even have a few card-carrying members right here in our midst to answer any questions you might have.

 

[the caracal kid]

but its so little to prove what you really are, doryman!

 

[Doryman]

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but its so little to prove what you really are, doryman!

An Oil-Guzzling Exploit-o-Bot. You got me...

C'mon Caracal, those posts read like some cryptic, half-assed "poetry" one would find on some kids Myspace. If you're going to argue a point, speaking like the Great Red Mystic isn't really an effective way to do it.

And I know I'm going to be attacked for being a Capitalist Pig, but really I'm a product of the unwashed masses, CK. A proud product of a robust, centuries old working class bloodline. Brass-balled, Briny-Veined, Bold, Brash, and By God Bulletproof, like all us native Newfoundlanders. I have worked in factories, fish plants, and fishing vessels. I have lived among these workers and your "proletariat" brothers and I have a secret to share with you. They care not a whit for the half-assed After School Anarchy style of Communism you espouse. This downtown book-store elitist brand of Marxism, whose ranks are filled with daddy's girl heiresses, pot afficionado's and the indomitable Wine Snob have nothing in common with these "working classes" with which they supposedly have solidarity.

These people speak of Marxism, the rising of the poor, and the glory of the Proletariat while they quaff wine with soft, uncallused hands and laugh at the very culture, values, pursuits, delights ideas and ideals of the plaid and work-boot clad wage-slaves they claim to support, never realizing that they are the snobbish "elite" they wish to overthrow. They are the modern day aristocrats, the effeminate, milk-fed, silken-drawered dandies that while away the days and other peoples money in mindless pursuit and exercises of forced "wit". The Marxist Revolution will never come, it was hi-jacked by lackwit spotlight-lusting "intellectuals" from the very beginning.

Plus it's just a dumb idea. Guten Tag!

 

[the caracal kid]

if you think i am espousing marxism or socialism or communism you are reading me entirely wrong.

Reread and ask questions if you desire, but don't assume so much as to think there are only X ways of thinking.

If you want a name for it all, it would be more in the lines of the next age of enlightenment or the post consumism/materialism era. It does not "rob from the rich to give to the poor", "nor does it rob from the poor to give to the rich". It re-aligns understanding back to the true forms of "richness", "freedom", etc.

 

[jimmoyer]

C'mon Caracal, those posts read like some cryptic, half-assed "poetry" one would find on some kids Myspace. If you're going to argue a point, speaking like the Great Red Mystic isn't really an effective way to do it.
------------------------------Doryman-----------------

Well said Doryman !!!

I got to warn you that although we like the Caracal Kid
a lot here, I got to warn you that he has a secret.

And I "outted" him on another thread.

Now lean a little closer.

I don't really want to shout this out.

A little closer.

Caracal Kid is a little voyeur God, sitting on a little cloud
surveying our quaint passion play, above all our little
quaint notions, above caring about which way the fight goes.
Wiser than all of us, this voyeur God is about the futility
of caring who kills who, and understanding why all of us
deserve what's coming at us.

You must remember this...
A kiss is still a kiss
a sigh is just a sigh

as the fundamental things of life

pass us by...

 

[the caracal kid]

actually jim,

you may have incorrectly interpreted some of what i said in that thread.

while what you now refer to as this "voyeur god" may sound true, i recognize the very real need for humanity to face a major set-back in the near future in order for the errs of today to be fully recognized and overcome.

So to that extent, while i don't care about the details of "who gets it", quite a few are going to get "it", and like any organism, all the parts played a role so all the parts get to participate in the set-back as well.

 

[jimmoyer]

Actually I quite understand your points.

I just feel compelled to push you a little out of your
comfort zone and possibly re-examine some of
your presumptions that border almost a care-less
smugness.

Being wise about the ways of humanity and its
folly over time tends to make you into a little voyeur
God, one who determines a vague moral relativity
and moral equality because of all of our hypocrisy.

 

[Jay]

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i recognize the very real need for humanity to face a major set-back in the near future in order for the errs of today to be fully recognized and overcome.

It sort of reminds me of what Judaism and Christianity have been alluding to.

 

[jimmoyer]

i recognize the very real need for humanity to face a major set-back in the near future in order for the errs of today to be fully recognized and overcome.
--------------------Caracal Kid--------------------------


Talk about Tough Love !!

This guy's got a bad case of it.

In fact he'll be morally reprehensible in his wisdom
by caring little what we do to each other because
we have it coming and we got to learn the hard way.

This careless wisdom is just as evil as those of
the combatants.

We're all going to get dirty, whether we're above it
all or not.

(and, a little side point: Has Caracal Kid ever noticed
the occurrence of HISTORICAL AMNESIA by succeeding
generations dimly viewing the changing fog of history ?
Caracal Kid presumes we'll learn from the holocaust
only to spawn future generations doubting it ever happened,
even speculating it was all some manipulative propaganda. )


Yep.

Tough Love.

Caracal Kid's got a bad case of it.

 

[the caracal kid]

it isn't tough love but a recognition of human nature.

change requires a stimulus.

it isn't religious, it isn't prophetic, it isn't dooms-dayish.

it is merely an ability to see things from a perspective other than "down one's own snout".

in the bigger picture humans are not so important. it is in the decptions of the ego that man has gotten to where he is now.

Fix it if I could? I would. The problem is far to big for me to take on though, and perhaps I am just too tired of the posturing, arrogance, and ignorance of man.

edit: i never said i think humanity WILL learn, but merely that a set-back needs to happen to stimulate change. Change may not be as great as I would model, and it may not last at all, in fact humanity might just completely irradicate itself. I can model for all these scenarios. I never overestimate a human.

 

[jimmoyer]

i recognize the very real need for humanity to face a major set-back in the near future in order for the errs of today to be fully recognized and overcome.
--------------------Caracal Kid--------------------------

If that isn't tough love, then what love is there
for you? And if that isn't at least a Tough Love
statement, then you are more tired and dis-interested
and care less, as in careless, as in a careless
wisdom loyal to no soul, hatefully repeating a
mantra: We deserve this. We got it coming.

A lot of hateful people are smug on that point.

It's a righteousness more egotistical and smug
than anything else I can imagine.

Sure you're tired. Sure you got a point.
But who the hell are you to say we deserve this ?

You're a good guy, but I find you to be carelessly
righteous.

Yeah we got what's coming to this?

Do you know the rainbow of people who say this?


and, a little side point: Has Caracal Kid ever noticed
the occurrence of HISTORICAL AMNESIA by succeeding
generations dimly viewing the changing fog of history ?
Caracal Kid presumes we'll learn from the holocaust
only to spawn future generations doubting it ever happened,
even speculating it was all some manipulative propaganda. )

 

[darkbeaver]

SIX POINT FIVE BILLION SATURDAY, THATS ALOT OF PROTIEN TO FEED OR EAT.

 

[the caracal kid]

no emotions at all. no ego, no righteousness, no love, no hate.

merely the Gaia system and the permutations possible.

for one thing you did get right, is that it is nothing more than modeling for me. I must disconnect myself from the process to analyze the possibilities fairly. In the end, short of total human anhilation, the "sides" which one camps on are all superficial. THey all consist of humans, that progress in parallel and as such if Gaia is to have humanity upon her it does not matter really which "tribe" "wins".

I encourage you, jim, to put your own ego aside.

 

[Said1]

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SIX POINT FIVE BILLION SATURDAY, THATS ALOT OF PROTIEN TO FEED OR EAT.

Ahh, you can do it. We're counting on ya. See ya Sunday!

 

[Jay]

Ha! I kill me.

 

[the caracal kid]

jim,

i take it your answer is no.

"Think not disdainfully of death, but look on it with favor; for even death is one of the things that Nature wills."
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus