Dumb Protestors Ready to Make People Angry at Them

[darkbeaver]

Myrterdom like that would be the last thing the rulers would want, it would provide fuel to the anti-war movement like nothing else would. But what you say is perfectly true some idiot patriot could easily be manipulated into the act. The crisis of democracy talked about by the rulers is that democracy will actually be exercised instead of simply accepting the illusion and supposing that is democratic.

 

[jimshort19]

Dark Beaver, "The crisis of democracy talked about by the rulers is that democracy will actually be exercised instead of simply accepting the illusion and supposing that is democratic."

Tell us, Bucky, more of this crisis. What ruler, with a name, has publicly talked about this crisis? If not public, how then shall we know what they talk about in secret? Duplicity, hypocrasy, lies and downright not telling the truth is a chronic crisis that is eroded ever so slowly by the waters of public perception. Anything that is chronic is not a crisis, only a condition. The condition is treatable by education, but so is it exasperbated. Exassberpated. Exerabatedple.

 

[darkbeaver]

Dark Beaver, "The crisis of democracy talked about by the rulers is that democracy will actually be exercised instead of simply accepting the illusion and supposing that is democratic."

Tell us, Bucky, more of this crisis. What ruler, with a name, has publicly talked about this crisis? If not public, how then shall we know what they talk about in secret? Duplicity, hypocrasy, lies and downright not telling the truth is a chronic crisis that is eroded ever so slowly by the waters of public perception. Anything that is chronic is not a crisis, only a condition. The condition is treatable by education, but so is it exasperbated. Exassberpated. Exerabatedple.

Huntington arround about 76 I think.

 

[darkbeaver]

Samuel P Huntington

Huntington tells us that democratic societies "cannot work" unless the citizenry is passive. "The democratic surge of the 1960s"
represened an "excess of democracy", which must be reduced if governments are to carry out thier "traditional policies", both domestic and foreign.

Huntington was accurately describing the fact that the democratic process was becoming a hindrance to elite objectives,

 

[s243a]

This thread bugs me because well protests have been a positive force of change, what right does someone have to forcefully disrupt someone else's event.

 

[darkbeaver]

The warning that comes accross clearly from a reading of the Crisis of Democracy is that some people with access to the center of power now understand that the change in popular attitudes toward government will necessitate a rapid dismantling of the whole structure of liberal democracy. R K Moore

the document was written in 1975 for the trilateral commission

 

[jimshort19]

Holy schit Dark Beaver. According to Google, Huntinton 76 is a car wash in Duarte California! Co-incidence?

With vapid ideas like that, Huntington sounds like somebody I know - a socialist incidentally.

So let's picket that car wash.

Meantime, let's watch with beer and trans fat crisps the parade and it's hangers on. The Rosebowl Parade will never die, but these political losers will soon be forgotten. Justice is inevitable, so let's watch this tainted show like a good game with a bad call that does not effect the outcome. Nobody who co-opts the Rosebowl Parade is going anywhere with Americans. I'm going to put my chair up closer to the screen - a spitting distance.

 

[darkbeaver]

The warning that comes accross clearly from reading The Crisis of Democracy is that some people with access to the center of power now understand that the change in popular attitudes toward government will necessitate a rapid dismantling of the whole structure of liberal democracy. R K Moore

neoliberalism indeed led to rapid dismantling of the whole structure Thatcher and Reagan acted as the frontpeople for the exercise, which if we look arround and listen we can understand it is now nearly complete and requires only the institution of full overt fascism for which the police state mechanisms are already in place, Have a nice future hahahahahahah:lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

Holy schit Dark Beaver. According to Google, Huntinton 76 is a car wash in Duarte California! Co-incidence?

With vapid ideas like that, Huntington sounds like somebody I know - a socialist incidentally.

So let's picket that car wash.

Meantime, let's watch with beer and trans fat crisps the parade and it's hangers on. The Rosebowl Parade will never die, but these political losers will soon be forgotten. Justice is inevitable, so let's watch this tainted show like a good game with a bad call that does not effect the outcome. Nobody who co-opts the Rosebowl Parade is going anywhere with Americans. I'm going to put my chair up closer to the screen - a spitting distance.

You're a funny guy Jim I hope they let you keep your sense of humour in the camps. It can help a lot in difficult times.

 

[jimshort19]

DarkBeaver, you are one strange brand of masochist. You revel in paranoia, exult in conspiracy, call yourself dark and after it all, you laugh, laugh mad as a hatter.

I'd stroke your tail but it's too creepy, and you'd only laugh anyway, because you are an invererate scoffer.

Nevertheless, in rare moments of lucidity, you spill legitimacy.

 

[warrior_won]

Nobody who co-opts the Rosebowl Parade is going anywhere with Americans. I'm going to put my chair up closer to the screen - a spitting distance.

Isn't the Rosebowl a bloody football game? How many Americans actually give a damn about a bloody football game or a stinking parade? I think you overstate the significance of this event to John Q. American.

If it were to happen that the organizers of the Rosebowl or the parade were to one year decide not to hold this event, how many Americans do you suppose would be outraged? How many Americans do you suppose would be disappointed? How many Americans do you suppose would care?

I always have to laugh when someone does that. There's some people in London who do the same thing. They take something that the majority of people don't give a rat's ass about, and they make the oddball argument that the World would stop turning were it eliminated. I mean, who's deceiving who here?

 

[jimshort19]

WW, "How many Americans actually give a damn about a bloody football game or a stinking parade? I think you overstate the significance of this event to John Q. American."

Who is taking things too seriously/ Normally sober folk, sports fans in their idle hours have determined upon the righteousness of the separation of sport and state, and some of the evewn upon the separation of recreation and state. It is they who are enjoying a hard earned day off and you leftists who want to spoil their parade, taking every hour as the same, making all hours the same, and boring the hell out of us all.

 

[Toro]

Isn't the Rosebowl a bloody football game? How many Americans actually give a damn about a bloody football game or a stinking parade? I think you overstate the significance of this event to John Q. American.

If it were to happen that the organizers of the Rosebowl or the parade were to one year decide not to hold this event, how many Americans do you suppose would be outraged? How many Americans do you suppose would be disappointed? How many Americans do you suppose would care?

I always have to laugh when someone does that. There's some people in London who do the same thing. They take something that the majority of people don't give a rat's ass about, and they make the oddball argument that the World would stop turning were it eliminated. I mean, who's deceiving who here?

It doesn't matter. Enough Americans who would know about it would think "What a bunch of jackasses" and then, the medium becomes the message whereby people think "why would I support those idiots if they don't have the common sense to know this isn't the time or the place."

You're British I take it? Okay, how about the Queen dies and 2000 people are out at the funeral procession screaming "impeach Bush!" What would you think?

 

[warrior_won]

Who is taking things too seriously/ Normally sober folk, sports fans in their idle hours have determined upon the righteousness of the separation of sport and state, and some of the evewn upon the separation of recreation and state. It is they who are enjoying a hard earned day off and you leftists who want to spoil their parade, taking every hour as the same, making all hours the same, and boring the hell out of us all.

First of all, I'm not a leftist. I'm as right wing conservative as they come. We're talking about an event that means very little to anyone. An event that takes place on a national holiday -- a day where there isn't much else to do. And I don't suppose that it was an accident that New Year's day was chosen for this event -- if you're going to hold an event that damn near no one cares about, may as well hold it on a day where people have few other options.

Getting back to the issue of holding a protest on the same day as the parade... Who cares? How many Americans are going to hold that Democracy should take a backseat to football or a parade? The U.S. is in a sorry state right now. There's probably a bunch of Americans that don't want to be reminded of the sorry state they're in on the first day of the new year. But what can ya do, right? To hold the view that the Parade of Roses is some holier than though institution is, quite frankly, absurd.

Anyway, on with the show. I for one won't be watching... But I never have watched. I'd just as soon stare at a wall and contemplate the texture of the paint. :roll:

 

[darkbeaver]

First of all, I'm not a leftist. I'm as right wing conservative as they come. We're talking about an event that means very little to anyone. An event that takes place on a national holiday -- a day where there isn't much else to do. And I don't suppose that it was an accident that New Year's day was chosen for this event -- if you're going to hold an event that damn near no one cares about, may as well hold it on a day where people have few other options.

Getting back to the issue of holding a protest on the same day as the parade... Who cares? How many Americans are going to hold that Democracy should take a backseat to football or a parade? The U.S. is in a sorry state right now. There's probably a bunch of Americans that don't want to be reminded of the sorry state they're in on the first day of the new year. But what can ya do, right? To hold the view that the Parade of Roses is some holier than though institution is, quite frankly, absurd.

Anyway, on with the show. I for one won't be watching... But I never have watched. I'd just as soon stare at a wall and contemplate the texture of the paint. :roll:

Paint is very important football is a game and parrades are for kiddies and the mentally challenged. I would like to see them parrade right of a quay brass bloody bands and all.:lol::lol::lol: But no nothing interesting or entertaining like that will happen.

 

[jimshort19]

Toro, way cool example - the Queen dies. Exaggerated perhaps from an American perspective, but very telling to a United Emire loyalist. Good Show! And in good taste too, dead queen being elevated to the level of the Rose Bowl and all. It's the least you could do. Again, good show!

But we know the ass hole who killed the rose Bowl parade -who killed the queen?

 

[gopher]

``Freedom to be dumb.``


A good explanation for why so many fell for the WMD bullsh*t.

 

[warrior_won]

You're British I take it? Okay, how about the Queen dies and 2000 people are out at the funeral procession screaming "impeach Bush!" What would you think?

I'm not British. I come from British and Irish ancestry... Not even British if you want to go back even further... I come from German ancestry... But that's neither here nor there.

The problem with your analogy is that you're equating a football game/parade with a funeral. They're not the same thing. If I'm on my way to work and I'm running late... I stop for a funeral procession even if it's someone I don't know and might not even like. It matters not to me that I may be late for work... Or that I've been late for work so many times that I run the risk of being fired for being late this one last time.

I would stop for a parade as well, but not for the same reasons. A parade would force me to stop. The roads would be barricaded and I would be arrested for driving through it and placing people's lives in danger. It's just not the same thing.

A funeral procession and a parade cannot be viewed as being the same thing. Different etiquette applies. Who gives a rat's ass about a parade?

 

[warrior_won]

Paint is very important football is a game and parrades are for kiddies and the mentally challenged. I would like to see them parrade right of a quay brass bloody bands and all.:lol::lol::lol: But no nothing interesting or entertaining like that will happen.

What is a parade? It's a commercialised festival... A celebration of economic interests. It's a disruption of transportation and a message delivering medium. Who is a parade for? It's for anyone that buys into it. Would our society survive the loss of the 'parade'? Most definitely. Does our society want to end parades? No! Does our society care about who participates in parades? Not the last time I checked!

I figure if a corporation can enter a float in a parade as a public relations and marketing measure, so can a political protester. Have you ever seen a parade that didn't have some politician roll by in a convertible or glass shrouded vehicle? Remember, JFK was shot in a parade!

A parade is nothing more than a bunch of people travelling a designated route saying, "hey, look at me." Somehow I doubt that I'm alone in thinking, "Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! And Santa Claus is coming to town... Yada, Yada, Yada! Who cares?"

 

[jimshort19]

Why do i suspect that Toro is an italian flatlander?

Dark Beaver says, "First of all, I'm not a leftist."
Sorry Browny, I didn't say you were, I just know that everyone as far off the wall as you is.

DB, "I'm as right wing conservative as they come."

Of course. You remind me of myself, when I forget to take my meds.

D.B, "We're talking about an event that means very little to anyone."

That's why it's famous, and on national tv. What timeslot have you got?

D.B. "How many Americans are going to hold that Democracy should take a backseat to football or a parade?"

During the Rose Bowl parade? No more than 11, or 33 million people.

D.B. "The U.S. is in a sorry state right now. There's probably a bunch of Americans that don't want to be reminded of the sorry state they're in on the first day of the new year."

The U.S. is ascendant. Without the Soviet sandbag, she is taking on comers, stronger than ever, going to Mars and eradicating stem cell murder. The sky is the limit because America is on her stride, at a time when Europe and China and Russia are aall hitting theirs. Far from the end that you preach, it is the birth of a new and better age.