Does God get a fail in the love category?
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Eagle,
I think Frenchie finds the crucifixion of Jesus and unbearable evil. He cannot imagine a "good" god prescribing such a remedy for sin or anything else for that matter. He blames God for evil because God himself is evil - according to Frenchie. You have to admit it is a reasonable topic to debate. I mean what in the world is/was so horrible that the Living God had to sacrifice someone to save the world. See. Everyone should stop and contemplate what this means. I think Frenchie has compassion and has been given concern for the disabled and infirmed. This is why he "shakes his fist" at the God of the Bible. Though, I am still confused as to his using the Bible to convey his points. I think it all gets down to how does God view sin. Is sin that bad? Sin is so bad that God sent someone to die a horrible tortuous death on the cross for me and you and every person on earth? Really? What kind of talk is this? What is sin? For an easy definition, think of the ten commandments. I think I like the idea of no murder, no lying, no stealing, cheating, etc. I mean what if instead of the Bible, some other God gave us a book and promoted the sin of which the ten commandments speak. What if God said, "you shall murder and cheat and lie and rob banks, etc." So, I think our God is good.
I think IMO his multiple posts stem from fear. My post to him about burning could be deemed outrageous... especially if I roamed the streets saying that. I wished, and successfully struck a nerve in him. I do not think I have responded to his threads more than a few times. They are all the same. It stems from fear of the beyond and that something awaits him. He does not want anything awaiting him. So why should we have faith if he has none? So his threads and posts... which certainly take a lot of time are driven with the hope of convincing people to renounce their faith and hope. The more people he can convince his belief that there is NOTHING the better he will feel. He wants people to reassure him.
Hogwash. I demand that God be a myth which is what he is unless you have had an apotheosis.
That is the only time that the myth of God should be allowed to go to belief in any mind.
As to man doing good. Have you not kept track of the markers for evil?
All the main ones are at the lowest they have ever been.
Your Emperor has no clothes and also has no morals and neither do you if you think barbaric human sacrifice is a good thing that you should profit from.
I am not an atheist but Satanand Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notionthat we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty andhere you are preaching for Satan. Shame on you.
In reality, if God did demandsuch a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning.
He would know that barbarichuman sacrifice is immoral.
You do too. Right?
Those with good morals willknow that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so calledson just to prove it's benevolence.
When you die, Satan will askyou; How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?
When you say yes, you becomehis.
Regards
DL
\Look ,if you were one of the CATHARI you would have announced it long ago.. What you are producing here is 'Frat boy negativity'
Give it up- or produce a rational Gnosis.
Frenchie, Here is an insurmountable obstacle. In regards to having an apotheosis - do you define that to its end definition. That is becoming a god? Or do you refer to a personal spiritual experience and/or enlightening? I could tell you things (if believed) that would make your head spin. But there is the problem. Who am I or anyone to proclaim "such and such must happen to you and in this way otherwise you got the wrong God". Even here you insist even demand that God is a Myth. So, I am gathering from your words that you believe you have become a god.
I do not stop at the crucifixion.
God can't get out of heaven without Satan popping up and screwing up heaven.
God can't get out of Eden without murdering A & E.
God cannot get out of Genesis without murdering all but 8 people.
God cannot get mankind through whatever he is doing without the vast majority of us ending in hell.
What kind of loser of a God is Christianity trying to sell and why have some bought into that genocidal son murdering prick of a God?
Regards
DL
Your fear...in a nut shell.
What have you done that you feel you have no hope? That this is your only option.
Frenchie - Why do you use the word Christian in the description of what you call yourself? Gnostic Christian Esoteric Ecumenical? On some level I can appreciate your dismay/disgust over the evil that goes on in the BIble. For me that confirms we are in fact sinners. I do not pin it on God. I do not use the argument, "Well if God were good and all powerful he would not allow such things to have happened...etc" I see here you deny the "loser God of Christianity". Can you define the God you believe in?
Yes and no.
Apotheosis is finding Jacobs ladder, if I can use the esoteric interpretation of that mythical analogy.
I have begun my climb. That is all that apotheosis is.
Most of the prophets speak of a God within. Those who do not look there will not find God.
Knock and ye shall find said Jesus and knocking at one's own heart, where the laws of God are written, is where God lives.
My experience was enlightening for sure but I think the word apotheosis is more truthful. Even from a Christian POV.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also didpredestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be thefirstborn among many brethren.
If we are to be Jesus' brethren then we are all to end as Gods.
As a parent I want my children to meet or beat whatever I am. If God has lesser standards for his children then that shows his lack of love for us.
Regards
DL
Let me give you this.
The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself an esoteric ecumenistand Gnostic Christian. Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote fromWilliam Blake.
“Both read the Bible day andnight, But thou read'st black where I read white.”
This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, whatChristians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T Godwhere literal Christians will see God’s killing as good.Christians are sheep where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral,while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.
During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, theonly things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed andI was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call acosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.
I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way withapotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no onehas yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than theyfor the cosmic consciousness.
The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does notinterfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what Ican see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.
I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see asmy delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to likeme much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think thatmost Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.
I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.
I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not Godexists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and Iprefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. Thesearch for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. Myapotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as aset of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seekfurther.
My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration orobedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and isthe supreme being.
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To my knowledge Gnostics came in many flavors depending on where one lived and what religions were in favor.
Gnostic Christian just designated that this particular Gnostic uses the Christian theology and bible as a tool for religious discussions.
I think that all gospels were written to further that conversation and not to point to any one God.
God is something to be sought but never to be found. Once found, God becomes an idol and we are warned by most prophets to not idol worship. Especially not a Godinabook the way Christianity has done.
Someone above asked why there is no Gnostic church.
The answer lies in the fact that when Constantine bought the then Orthodox Church, he killed those I name myself after and he tried to burn all of our gospels. He obviously failed.
Regards
DL
I see that you would prefer to chat about me than the issues at hand.
Thanks for the psychobabble.
You are off the mark the same way Christians are who have embraced God's barbaric murder of his own son.
Regards
DL
Ohhh FRenchie... anyone who isn't completely new here sees through the 'ACT'. So your 'God within' tells you to hate Christians and directs you personally.
Good for you /it /Whatever/
But that doesn't make you a Cathari.
Frenchie - Here is the monstrosity we humans trip over. In an effort to become more moral, more good and holy we throw the Real God under the bus and announce we too are gods. Is it that no one would be LORD over you? I understand how your opinion formed regarding "the Christian God". (Though, I disagree with your summary of Him) Is it fair to say that you do not believe in any God? Would you say there is no God to be worshipped. There is no God that created you or anyone else? God does not exist - regardless of whether or not it can be proven?
Such as?? You might as well condemn Him for making the grave a prison to hold sinners until they have paid the price of their sin, which is going to the grave once. There you have the punishment and the 'cure' for all sins. How do you define that as being 'evil'.
By sending Jesus (as a man) to an earthly gave for a few days God is able to send all angels that sin to the fiery lake where they can no longer harm any man. You see that as being a bad thing would indicate that you like a corrupt world and I don't buy that aspect about you.
The reason God was happy to do it is because that in 50% of the prophecy in Ge:3:15 that is completed.
This last is weird. If God could be proven then we would not be having this chat. We would be busy pushing Christians out of the way so we could replace their heads with ours up God's ***.
Regards
DL
LOL.
So the all-powerful God did not have the all-powerful power until after he had his son murdered.
Give your head a shake man.
Regards
DL
Ok. I condemn God for making people believe in the absurd belief that we die more than once.
I also condemn him for taking man and forgiveness out of our reality. That is greed beyond compare on his greedy part.
That is like stealing from us IMO.
Are you suggesting that hell is a moral construct?
Regards
DL
No one is capable of seeking the best "moral sense". You give the human race too much credit here.
You said, "Sure he said he was doing the will of the father but the trinity Jesus is the Father.
Jesus then had no master other than himself and he wishes the same for us." Dude this is just tripped out and whack.
I am more than happy and honored to worship God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth and Life itself.
And lastly, here is where that sinful nature of yours which you claim not to have really shines through.. "This last is weird. If God could be proven then we would not be having this chat. We would be busy pushing Christians out of the way so we could replace their heads with ours up God's ***."
The wages of sin is death. Judgement will come to all. Oh Frenchie, I imagine one of those "priceless" Visa commercials. Pan to the Right. There sits Frenchie at the throne of the living God, waiting to be judged. Zoom to Frenchie's face when he realizes in fact there is a God. Zoom closer to Frenchie's face when he realizes in fact there is a God and it is not Frenchie. PRICELESS.
God is good. Rather exceptional. He is not this barbaric murdering tyrrant of which you speak.
I'm still working on IMO. Icelandic Meteorological Office ???
Surely I jest to lighten the mood.