Do You Think the U.S. will someday occupy Canada???

[Kreskin]

Re: RE: Do You Think the U.S.

very true, very true, a subplot, a sideline, a rouse if you will.....

but nevermind, I cant honestly see the US being after really anything much except oil, softwood, land, influence.....then again they might THINK about it

Land means jack squat. Influence isn't won by war. Lumber and oil..don't they own all the companies now?

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Re: RE: Do You Think the U.S.

very true, very true, a subplot, a sideline, a rouse if you will.....

but nevermind, I cant honestly see the US being after really anything much except oil, softwood, land, influence.....then again they might THINK about it

Land means jack squat. Influence isn't won by war. Lumber and oil..don't they own all the companies now?

Dunno, you tell me.....when you reach a population density like some countries...the UK for example, Land becomes very expensive, they may already own the companies, but like they're finding out in the US, it's a much safer bet to have complete political backing as well, and that's the problem with a foreign government, too many unkown variables.

 

[I think not]

I'm so loving this thread. Carry on.

Daz, your comparitive analysis of oppression doesn't make colonial tyrrany any less real. We've talked about this I don't know how many times, and you keep going around in circles.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Do You Think the U.S.

see...to me, oppression is oppression, the point I often make, which you so often roundly rule out is this:

Were there any "better" colonials?....I just find the whole US side of the arguement irrational...how DO you fund a global war?

because thats all it was ITN, that's all it ever was, popular opinion in the UK at the time didn't want to fight, couldnt understand why fight.

I've read all about George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, my family are distantly related to Benjamin Franklin and I realise America is currently "having it's day out in the sunshine".

My point was that the anti-british Americans were perfectly happy to be loyal subjects...until it ate away at their profits.

it was about Capitalism ITN, Traders making less money than they could if they bumped off the British, these are facts, it had nothing to do with "tyrany"...unless in your book "tyrany" has something to do with paying for wars and recieving cheaper tea than the traders can give you.

And, as you know full well, it was the colonies allies who won the war for them, how could you win a war when you lose more battles than you win?.

it's not circles my man, just entertaining drivel

I did enjoy your blog however, dont you hate the Homeless ppl who stand outside ground zero and try to sell their stories?

 

[I think not]

No it wasn't about capitalism. It was about a King on the other side of the Atlantic taxing exerybody so he can live in the lap of luxury and not permitting the colonists to have a voice in Parliament. We don't like being taxed to the bone, especially when we don't have a say.

I'm not going to get into the long version.

 

[steventao]

Everyone know that Canada is an independent country.Nobody but her own people can decide her fate.Someday if someone invaded Canada,i would be a volunteer to to fight against invader and for her freedom.

 

[steventao]

Everyone know that Canada is an independent country.Nobody but her own people can decide her fate.Someday if someone invaded Canada,i would be a volunteer to to fight against invader and for her freedom.

 

[steventao]

Everyone know that Canada is an independent country.Nobody but her own people can decide her fate.Someday if someone invaded Canada,i would be a volunteer to to fight against invader and for her freedom.

 

[tamarin]

Without a sense of self you can't prove resilient enough to expel an invading force. Canada would be easy pickings. Smash the hydro grid, interrupt the energy pipeline that feeds our infrastructure and watch the civil meltdown ensue. We have little sense of identity and what it means. In an extended emergency we'd go to hell in a handbasket in a hurry. Every man and family and village for themselves. That's the way it will be in the end.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Do You Think the U.S.

I'm not gonna say any more about the matter ITN, but it was about profit margins, traders and the yuppies (to which George Washington was one) of their day, the stamp duty had already been repealled forcefully by those on William Pitt the younger's side.

The lack of freedom and rule of tyrany are good things to shout, kinda like a child shouting "help,help he/she is abusing me!!" about their parents when in a mall, when they really arent, it gets them attention...nothing more.

This is not my opinion anyway, this is the opinion of a Prof. Mike Sadler, History Dept. University of Arizona and a couple of other Americans I know. Doesnt hinder that I happen to agree with them.

 

[Blackleaf]

Personally, I think it's really all just a lot of jealousy. The Americans had the balls to stand up to the British and say, "We're not kids anymore. We're adults now."

It wasn't like that. It was more like the US having a typical teenager's temper tantrum at its mother, throwing its toys at her, and then deciding to fly the nest. Meanwhile, Britannia, her beautiful mother, looks at her fat, obese, ugly child and says, "How did I give birth to such an ugly kid?" They speak the most God-awful English ever known to mankind - such as spelling words shorter than their British counterparts (color/honor) and producing ugly Americans such as "thru" instead of "through". Of all Britannia's babies, America is the most uneducated.

Britannia looks at her other daughter, Canada, and think of you as the shyer of our two North American daughters, a nation that doesn't seem to like getting invloved in world events. The British notice that Canadians always think of their country as being more influential and powerful in the world than it actually is (Toro: "Canada's population will overtake Britain's in the next 20-30 years") and when most people in Britain hardly ever think about Canada - Canadians somehow think their country is more influential on the world stage than Britain, when you are only half the size of Britain, aren't a permanent member of the Security Council, have no nukes and have an Airforce that is around 8-9 times smaller than the RAF. Most Brits don't know who Canada's Prime Minister is and think (like the rest of the world) that your capital city is Toronto. To the average Brit, Ottawa is a river animal that is common in our countryside.

Britain's Antipodean daughter, Australia, is more similar to America in the sense that Aussies are loud and boisterous and are all talk but no trousers. They talk tough and act tough - but would soil their pants if they were somehow to come up against a group of rowdy England fans. They love to boast about how "good" they are at rugby and cricket, until we pasted them in the rugby World Cup Final in 2003 and cricket's Ashes in 2005.

New Zealand is more like the Canada of the Southern Hemisphere - it' seems to be a bit shy and doesn't seem to like making its presence felt on the world stage, except when their might All Blacks rugby team is in town.

 

[I think not]

Still grumpy you're a mediocre player Blackleaf eh? I can understand that, in 100 or so years we'll be grumpy also.

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: Do You Think the U.S.

your getting too fixated with that word....thats all it is, but remember, Britain wasnt simply just another enamy, if it were, fine.

The problem is simpleton.....your not looking at the bigger picture, Britain treated the US abusivley did they?...nope, read your books, William Pitt ensured that the American colonies were NOT taxed as badly as the rest, but there was war to be won, and wars cost money, in the end everyone pays.

What I, yes I, find irritating is that until 5 years before the american colonies were very pro-britain, and EXACTLY HOW was Britain ABUSIVE to America then?...I'm afraid that is bollox.

Infact, the very REASON for the taxes were for their protection, combine this with the FACT that most US historians recogneise that the French wished to created a pincer-like attack against the US/Colonies from the north and west.

really, it frustrates me when people say Britain treated it's colonies poorly, wanna go to Liverpool or the city of London at the time?...wanna see how they treated the people who could not afford to own land and slaves in the new world at that time?...did they have representation? no, and dont say "oh well we were over in another part of the world"....who cares it was the first truely global war, we were ALL british subjects then....THATS WHAT IS SHAMEFUL.

SIMPLE.

Taxes for the British in Britain were TWELVE times higher than the taxes for the British colonists in North America, so it irritates me when Americans say they fought against taxation.

Also, the standard of life in North America in the 18th Century far surpassed that of Britain. North America was then a land of clean air, small, pleasant villages and a healthy, small population.

Britain, on the other hand, was like a scene from hell during the 18th century. London, and other big cities, stank from the raw sewage thatw as dumped in the streets and the dead dogs, cats and rats that littered the streets and floated down the Thames. Disease and deprivationw ere everywhere. People didn't understand the need for cleanliness - urine was often empted out of bedroom windows ont to heads of passers-by down below.

All this explains why many people left to live in the North American colonies. The "hardships" dealt by the Mother Country on North Americans were non-existant. If theyw anted to know what real hardship was like, they should have moved to London.

The Americans had some other more secret and sinister reason for wanting independence.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Do You Think the U.S.

Taxes for the British in Britain were TWELVE times higher than the taxes for the British colonists in North America, so it irritates me when Americans say they fought against taxation.

Also, the standard of life in North America in the 18th Century far surpassed that of Britain. North America was then a land of clean air, small, pleasant villages and a healthy, small population.

Britain, on the other hand, was like a scene from hell during the 18th century. London, and other big cities, stank from the raw sewage thatw as dumped in the streets and the dead dogs, cats and rats that littered the streets and floated down the Thames. Disease and deprivationw ere everywhere. People didn't understand the need for cleanliness - urine was often empted out of bedroom windows ont to heads of passers-by down below.

All this explains why many people left to live in the North American colonies. The "hardships" dealt by the Mother Country on North Americans were non-existant. If theyw anted to know what real hardship was like, they should have moved to London.

The Americans had some other more secret and sinister reason for wanting independence.

All hail the monarchy :roll:

See how nice they have been to you? Good riddens!

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: Do You Think the U.S.

[quote="I think not"

All hail the monarchy :roll:

See how nice they have been to you? Good riddens![/quote]

How does the Monarchy affect the standard of living of the average Brit?

George III was your Monarch in the 1760s and 1770s, but that didn't affect your standard of living.

Now, though, it's the other way around. The British standard of life is higher than that in the US. The average Brit is healtheir than the average American and the average Canadian, despite drinking more alcohol, smoking more and spendling less on healthcare.

I don't see how a Monarchy affects standard of life.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Do You Think the U.S.

How does the Monarchy affect the standard of living of the average Brit?

George III was your Monarch in the 1760s and 1770s, but that didn't affect your standard of living.

Now, though, it's the other way around. The British standard of life is higher than that in the US. The average Brit is healtheir than the average American and the average Canadian, despite drinking more alcohol, smoking more and spendling less on healthcare.

I don't see how a Monarchy affects standard of life.

Read your own post and you'll understand. Then again, you probably won't.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Personally, I think it's really all just a lot of jealousy. The Americans had the balls to stand up to the British and say, "We're not kids anymore. We're adults now."

It wasn't like that. It was more like the US having a typical teenager's temper tantrum at its mother, throwing its toys at her, and then deciding to fly the nest. Meanwhile, Britannia, her beautiful mother, looks at her fat, obese, ugly child and says, "How did I give birth to such an ugly kid?" They speak the most God-awful English ever known to mankind - such as spelling words shorter than their British counterparts (color/honor) and producing ugly Americans such as "thru" instead of "through". Of all Britannia's babies, America is the most uneducated.

Britannia looks at her other daughter, Canada, and think of you as the shyer of our two North American daughters, a nation that doesn't seem to like getting invloved in world events. The British notice that Canadians always think of their country as being more influential and powerful in the world than it actually is (Toro: "Canada's population will overtake Britain's in the next 20-30 years") and when most people in Britain hardly ever think about Canada - Canadians somehow think their country is more influential on the world stage than Britain, when you are only half the size of Britain, aren't a permanent member of the Security Council, have no nukes and have an Airforce that is around 8-9 times smaller than the RAF. Most Brits don't know who Canada's Prime Minister is and think (like the rest of the world) that your capital city is Toronto. To the average Brit, Ottawa is a river animal that is common in our countryside.

Britain's Antipodean daughter, Australia, is more similar to America in the sense that Aussies are loud and boisterous and are all talk but no trousers. They talk tough and act tough - but would soil their pants if they were somehow to come up against a group of rowdy England fans. They love to boast about how "good" they are at rugby and cricket, until we pasted them in the rugby World Cup Final in 2003 and cricket's Ashes in 2005.

New Zealand is more like the Canada of the Southern Hemisphere - it' seems to be a bit shy and doesn't seem to like making its presence felt on the world stage, except when their might All Blacks rugby team is in town.

Where do you get these ideas that Canada thinks of it self as being more important on the International Stage? In that regard, how does it feel to be a GWB puppet on the international stage? Does Tony Blair make any decisions without consulting with puppeteer GWB?

We have no nukes... so what? France has nukes, doesn't exactly make them important.

We have a small air force, again. Who cares? Do you think the average brit knows the size of our air force?

To the average Canadian... London is a city located in Ontario.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Re: RE: Do You Think the U.S.

The average Brit is healtheir than the average American and the average Canadian.

How exactly are you defining "healthier"? According to this UN report from 2000, Canadians have a higher life expectancy then Brits.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/778385.stm

 

[s_lone]

Blackleaf,

You sound like Lord Durham, the idiotic caricature of british snobism who thought he could assimilate the French Canadians based on their supposed inferiority.

All the countries you speak of, the US, Canada, Australia and New-Zealand have become distinct countries with different realities than Britain. And Canada is not only the child of Britain but also of France, the First Nations and a wide panorama of cultural diversity.

To stay true to your mother-child analogy, you sound like the old, boring and bitter mother that's not even worth calling on mother's day because you know she's just gonna tell you what a "failure" you've become.

We are not your daughter anymore, thank God...

 

[Amik]

Why would the US want to occupy Canada? Beats me, but why would Israel want to occupy Lebanon? Some occupations defy reason. If two Americans were kidnapped, and Bush decided to blame it on a group of Canadians, we'd be occupied. Tempers and egos are that stupid.