Do The People Of Iraq Have A Right To Resist US Occupation?

[Derry McKinney]

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Surely the line is fine enough for both arguments to be correct. I still maintain that calling this a civil war is like calling the Canadian Government and the FLQ engagements, a civil war.

How many people died during the FLQ Crisis, Jay? How much fighting in the streets was there? The recent biker war in Quebec was more violent than the FLQ Crisis.

You can repeat it all you want it's still not true. Yet. It takes two sides to fight a civil war.

The police and the Iraqi army, controlled by the government, are one side. The insurgents are the other side. You can deny it all that you want, but it is a civil war.

 

[Jay]

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"How many people died during the FLQ Crisis, Jay? How much fighting in the streets was there? The recent biker war in Quebec was more violent than the FLQ Crisis. "

Well you might be right, but they did kidnap and kill a Government Minister, and they liked to put bombs in mailboxes...

 

[dan_c22]

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So some of you would consider al-Zarqawi to be a freedom fighter, rebel, Liberation Fighter?

 

[Derry McKinney]

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No, we'd consider him to be an opportunistic terrorist, much like George Bush.

 

[DasFX]

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Whatever you want to call the situation in Iraq: Civil War, Occupation, Liberation, etc.

It should be all done by 2009 according to VP Cheney

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050531-070622-9639r.htm

 

[Derry McKinney]

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Cheney's a friggin' moron. We shoul poke the bastard with an electric cattle prod until his tiny, black heart gives out.

 

[Jay]

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Whatever you want to call the situation in Iraq: Civil War, Occupation, Liberation, etc.

It should be all done by 2009 according to VP Cheney

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050531-070622-9639r.htm

Great… 4 more years. I was hoping for better.

 

[I think not]

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So some of you would consider al-Zarqawi to be a freedom fighter, rebel, Liberation Fighter?

No, we'd consider him to be an opportunistic terrorist, much like George Bush.

It's a civil war

So Derry, let me get this straight, you consider Al-Zarqawai to be an opportunistic terrorist in command of a militant army that slaughters civilians which is engaged in a civil war. Right?

 

[Derry McKinney]

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There is no evidence that Zarqawi is in charge of anything other than a relatively small group of terrorists. He is not in charge of the regular resistance.

Trying to say that they are all one cohesive group is a bizarre error that demonstrates fully why Iraq gets more and more dangerous while your VP makes bizarre statements and your president hides in the Oval Office with his bucket of whiskey and his stash of Peruvian flake cocaine.

 

[mrmom2]

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Zarqawi is a finely crafted piece of fiction. Propaganda at it's finest .He was reported killed years before Iraq2 and all of a sudden we have the new boogeyman coming to kill us all.You guys are buying this bullshit myth hook line and sinker 8O Why because the media tells you so If the US really wanted to find this guy it shouldn't be that hard how fast can he run with one leg

 

[I think not]

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There is no evidence that Zarqawi is in charge of anything other than a relatively small group of terrorists. He is not in charge of the regular resistance.

Trying to say that they are all one cohesive group is a bizarre error that demonstrates fully why Iraq gets more and more dangerous while your VP makes bizarre statements and your president hides in the Oval Office with his bucket of whiskey and his stash of Peruvian flake cocaine.

Enlighten us who is in charge of the regular resistance.

 

[I think not]

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Zarqawi is a finely crafted piece of fiction. Propaganda at it's finest .He was reported killed years before Iraq2 and all of a sudden we have the new boogeyman coming to kill us all.You guys are buying this bullshit myth hook line and sinker 8O Why because the media tells you so If the US really wanted to find this guy it shouldn't be that hard how fast can he run with one leg

So who is in charge then in your opinion?

 

[moghrabi]

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Zarqawi is a finely crafted piece of fiction. Propaganda at it's finest .He was reported killed years before Iraq2 and all of a sudden we have the new boogeyman coming to kill us all.You guys are buying this bullshit myth hook line and sinker 8O Why because the media tells you so If the US really wanted to find this guy it shouldn't be that hard how fast can he run with one leg

mrmom2 got it right. There is no such thing as Zirqawi or shit head. This terrorist is a piece of fiction to keep the US occupation as long as he is alive. he will not die until the US government says the bogyman is no more.

 

[I think not]

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Zarqawi is a finely crafted piece of fiction. Propaganda at it's finest .He was reported killed years before Iraq2 and all of a sudden we have the new boogeyman coming to kill us all.You guys are buying this bullshit myth hook line and sinker 8O Why because the media tells you so If the US really wanted to find this guy it shouldn't be that hard how fast can he run with one leg

mrmom2 got it right. There is no such thing as Zirqawi or shit head. This terrorist is a piece of fiction to keep the US occupation as long as he is alive. he will not die until the US government says the bogyman is no more.

I've asked twice before, so I'll ask you also, who is in charge then?

 

[moghrabi]

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The resistance is wide. There is no person in charge. I think there are small pockets of resistance in too many places. You have the Shiite resistance, the Sunni resistance, the baath resistance and so on. Each group has one or many in charge.

As you can see, they are pretty damn organized and getting better by day.

 

[I think not]

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The resistance is wide. There is no person in charge. I think there are small pockets of resistance in too many places. You have the Shiite resistance, the Sunni resistance, the baath resistance and so on. Each group has one or many in charge.

As you can see, they are pretty damn organized and getting better by day.

They cant be organized and not have someone coordinating, it doesnt make sense. Maybe it isn't Zarqawi, but someone is coordinating.

 

[Derry McKinney]

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mrmom2 got it right. There is no such thing as Zirqawi or shit head.

There is such a thing as Zaraqawi though. He may not be a single person, and he's almost certainly not the guy(s) we keep seeing pictures of, but he is real. He is a personality created to represent terrorism in Iraq and, since the illegal invasion, there is terroism in Iraq.

He represents al Qaeda (something else that likely didn't exist before the US government said it did, but that's another thread). He represents evil. Zaraquai (I like to use all the spellings :wink: ) exists because the US government needs him to. It helps keep the American public from storming the White House with pitch forks and torches.

So who is in charge then in your opinion?

If I had to take a wild shot at it? Likely 15 or 20 loosely connected people with connections to either the former military, Muslim extremists, and criminals. No matter which category they fall into, they are all well connected within their communities. They have access to money and guns...likely from illegal Russian and American sources left over from the Cold War. They have varying goals and don't get along too well but are united by a common enemy.

Congrats, think not...your country has turned Iraq into Somalia.

 

[mrmom2]

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I would think the guys in charge now are former Saddam loyalists maybe some of his secret police. You got to remember the US didn't get to there files in time I remember seeing the burnt remains of their offices on the news.So the US would have no idea who some of the shadowy players were.The intelligence arm of the US is not exactly the best when it comes to Iraq :wink:

 

[Derry McKinney]

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They cant be organized and not have someone coordinating, it doesnt make sense. Maybe it isn't Zarqawi, but someone is coordinating.

Why do they have to be organized? There is nothing in their actions that indicates that. Kidnap victims seem to be taken by common thugs and sold up the ladder. Things blow up almost randomly. There are a multitude of groups that take credit for it.

Do they need to know what's going on? Yeah. That requires minimal cooperation though...what would be considered bar room talk here. Do they sell and trade weapons back and forth? Of course. Do they have similar targets? Not really. Some seem to go after the US military, some seem to go after the Iraqi government, and some seem to go after anybody who happens to standing there.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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Vicious Circle: The Dynamics of Occupation and Resistance in Iraq

A bit of a long read...