Dissatisfied with Choices

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Like I said, it was Conservatives saying they took secrets with them. Or were those Conservatives lying?

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Like I said, it was Conservatives saying they took secrets with them. Or were those Conservatives lying?

And again I ask, who, where, when? Of course Belinda took election strategies with her, her ethics allowed her to stay in a strategy meeting until the day before she sold out. If that is what you are talking about, of course. But these allegations of hidden agendas, etc. are really getting old, when there is absolutely no proof to them.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Go read the press reports when Brison defected. The Conservatives were worried about secrets. Right after that, talk of hidden agendas picked up.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Go read the press reports when Brison defected. The Conservatives were worried about secrets. Right after that, talk of hidden agendas picked up.

I listened to Scotty boy on the night of the election. It was the most biggoted, hateful, smearjob speech I have ever heard. If you had substitued the word gay every time he mentioned Alberta, he would have been jail for hate crimes. Scotty boy has no ethics, morals, or credibility. He is an idiot.

Of course the hidden agenda crap picked up in the election, they Libs had nothing else to run against, so they concocted lies that all the eastern canadian sheep bought into. No proof, just lies.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

You're sounding a little desperate there, Blue. Nobody is bigoted against Alberta. People are tired of the cry-baby whining that comes from your province though. They are tired of threats of firewalls and pouty little snots posing as national leaders. They are tired of drunken louts using their premierships to further the interests of the oil industry.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

I'm bigotted against Alberta...

The Alberta Agenda

Withdraw from the Canada Pension Plan to create an Alberta Pension Plan offering the same benefits at lower cost while giving Alberta control over the investment fund. Pensions are a provincial responsibility under section 94A of the Constitution Act. 1867; and the legislation setting up the Canada Pension Plan permits a province to run its own plan, as Quebec has done from the beginning. If Quebec can do it, why not Alberta?

Yes, because it's important to allow Alberta to collect pension plan contributions while the senior citizens are forced to eat Alpo...

Collect our own revenue from personal income tax, as we already do for corporate income tax. Now that your government has made the historic innovation of the single-rate personal income tax, there is no reason to have Ottawa collect our revenue. Any incremental cost of collecting our own personal income tax would be far outweighed by the policy flexibility that Alberta would gain, as Quebec’s experience has shown.

When the Harperites squawk about less federal government, they actually mean no federal government...all provinces would have to be self-sufficient...those that can't make it on their own would be "rescued" by the great state of Alberta...

Start preparing now to let the contract with the RCMP run out in 2012 and create an Alberta Provincial Police Force. Alberta is a major province. Like the other major provinces of Ontario and Quebec, we should have our own provincial police force. We have no doubt that Alberta can run a more efficient and effective police force than Ottawa can – one that will not be misused as a laboratory for experiments in social engineering.

...and with a clear mandate and the state sanctioned authority to shoot homosexuals on sight...

Resume provincial responsibility for health-care policy. If Ottawa objects to provincial policy, fight in the courts. If we lose, we can afford the financial penalties that Ottawa may try to impose under the Canada Health Act. Albertans deserve better than the long waiting periods and technological backwardness that are rapidly coming to characterize Canadian medicine. Alberta should also argue that each province should raise its own revenue for health care – i.e., replace Canada Health and Social Transfer cash with tax points as Quebec has argued for many years. Poorer provinces would continue to rely on Equalization to ensure they have adequate revenues.

Contrary to what the Conservatives would have you believe, they would not be restoring any powers to the provinces, as health care facilities are already under provincial jurisdiction, but must operate in accordance with the Canada Health Act.

Use section 88 of the Supreme Court’s decision in the Quebec Secession Reference to force Senate reform back onto the national agenda. Our reading of that decision is that the federal government and other provinces must seriously consider a proposal for constitutional reform endorsed by “a clear majority on a clear question” in a provincial referendum. You acted decisively once before to hold a senatorial election. Now is the time to drive the issue further.

So what constitutional changes, other than senate reform, would they like to decide with a provincial referendum, I wonder...

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

You're sounding a little desperate there, Blue. Nobody is bigoted against Alberta. People are tired of the cry-baby whining that comes from your province though. They are tired of threats of firewalls and pouty little snots posing as national leaders. They are tired of drunken louts using their premierships to further the interests of the oil industry.

Go read his acceptance speech, it was disgusting. But then what do you expect from such an unethical individual anyway. It did show that he had no knowledge of the rest of the country.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Looks to me like Harper and Flannagan (he's a racist prick, somebody should light his white sheet on fire) and there right-wing whacko friends have an agenda to separate from Canada without even holding so much as a referendum.

 

[bluealberta]

I'm bigotted against Alberta...

The Alberta Agenda

Withdraw from the Canada Pension Plan to create an Alberta Pension Plan offering the same benefits at lower cost while giving Alberta control over the investment fund. Pensions are a provincial responsibility under section 94A of the Constitution Act. 1867; and the legislation setting up the Canada Pension Plan permits a province to run its own plan, as Quebec has done from the beginning. If Quebec can do it, why not Alberta?

Yes, because it's important to allow Alberta to collect pension plan contributions while the senior citizens are forced to eat Alpo...

You know, Vanni, that comment just diminishes any credibility you have on this forum. You are wrong, you know it, but you still put it out there. Your comments are pure trash. Do seniors in Quebed eat Alpo? They must, if you don't think Alberta should have the same set up as Quebec. :roll:

Collect our own revenue from personal income tax, as we already do for corporate income tax. Now that your government has made the historic innovation of the single-rate personal income tax, there is no reason to have Ottawa collect our revenue. Any incremental cost of collecting our own personal income tax would be far outweighed by the policy flexibility that Alberta would gain, as Quebec’s experience has shown.

When the Harperites squawk about less federal government, they actually mean no federal government...all provinces would have to be self-sufficient...those that can't make it on their own would be "rescued" by the great state of Alberta...

And? Alberta wants the provincial rights guaranteed in the constitution, many of which Quebec already has. Are you this negative against what Quebec already does?

Start preparing now to let the contract with the RCMP run out in 2012 and create an Alberta Provincial Police Force. Alberta is a major province. Like the other major provinces of Ontario and Quebec, we should have our own provincial police force. We have no doubt that Alberta can run a more efficient and effective police force than Ottawa can – one that will not be misused as a laboratory for experiments in social engineering.

...and with a clear mandate and the state sanctioned authority to shoot homosexuals on sight...

Absolute nonsense and not worthy of any kind of logical response. Your credibility is getting lower and lower, as are your accusations.

Resume provincial responsibility for health-care policy. If Ottawa objects to provincial policy, fight in the courts. If we lose, we can afford the financial penalties that Ottawa may try to impose under the Canada Health Act. Albertans deserve better than the long waiting periods and technological backwardness that are rapidly coming to characterize Canadian medicine. Alberta should also argue that each province should raise its own revenue for health care – i.e., replace Canada Health and Social Transfer cash with tax points as Quebec has argued for many years. Poorer provinces would continue to rely on Equalization to ensure they have adequate revenues.

Contrary to what the Conservatives would have you believe, they would not be restoring any powers to the provinces, as health care facilities are already under provincial jurisdiction, but must operate in accordance with the Canada Health Act.

If we can get rid of waiting times doing it on our own, within the mandates of the Canada Health Act, we should be allowed to do it. Again, Quebec is right.

Use section 88 of the Supreme Court’s decision in the Quebec Secession Reference to force Senate reform back onto the national agenda. Our reading of that decision is that the federal government and other provinces must seriously consider a proposal for constitutional reform endorsed by “a clear majority on a clear question” in a provincial referendum. You acted decisively once before to hold a senatorial election. Now is the time to drive the issue further.

So what constitutional changes, other than senate reform, would they like to decide with a provincial referendum, I wonder...

First things first, senate reform with a Triple E type of senate would go a long way to resolving a lot of issues. Gee, its kinda democratic, too, which offends the elites in the Libs and NDP. What a shame. :roll: :twisted:

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

All a triple E senate would do is cost a lot of money for elections and cripple the system so that nobody could get any legislation through without cherating, back room deal making and corruption, Blue. Go have a look at the US system...it's as screwed up as ours, likely even worse.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Withdraw from the Canada Pension Plan to create an Alberta Pension Plan offering the same benefits at lower cost while giving Alberta control over the investment fund. Pensions are a provincial responsibility under section 94A of the Constitution Act. 1867; and the legislation setting up the Canada Pension Plan permits a province to run its own plan, as Quebec has done from the beginning. If Quebec can do it, why not Alberta?

Yes, because it's important to allow Alberta to collect pension plan contributions while the senior citizens are forced to eat Alpo...

You know, Vanni, that comment just diminishes any credibility you have on this forum. You are wrong, you know it, but you still put it out there. Your comments are pure trash. Do seniors in Quebed eat Alpo? They must, if you don't think Alberta should have the same set up as Quebec. :roll:

Here's the difference, blue, and it's a pretty big one. Quebec has a socially responsible government. If you were to tell us that the Alberta government would do the same, you'd be lying...

Collect our own revenue from personal income tax, as we already do for corporate income tax. Now that your government has made the historic innovation of the single-rate personal income tax, there is no reason to have Ottawa collect our revenue. Any incremental cost of collecting our own personal income tax would be far outweighed by the policy flexibility that Alberta would gain, as Quebec’s experience has shown.

When the Harperites squawk about less federal government, they actually mean no federal government...all provinces would have to be self-sufficient...those that can't make it on their own would be "rescued" by the great state of Alberta...

And? Alberta wants the provincial rights guaranteed in the constitution, many of which Quebec already has. Are you this negative against what Quebec already does?

I am critical of many of the special concessions afforded to Quebec, but, as I stated in my first post, the Quebec government is interested in more than just increasing the elite class in their province...

Start preparing now to let the contract with the RCMP run out in 2012 and create an Alberta Provincial Police Force. Alberta is a major province. Like the other major provinces of Ontario and Quebec, we should have our own provincial police force. We have no doubt that Alberta can run a more efficient and effective police force than Ottawa can – one that will not be misused as a laboratory for experiments in social engineering.

...and with a clear mandate and the state sanctioned authority to shoot homosexuals on sight...

Absolute nonsense and not worthy of any kind of logical response. Your credibility is getting lower and lower, as are your accusations.

Delwin Vriend would beg to differ, I'm certain...

Resume provincial responsibility for health-care policy. If Ottawa objects to provincial policy, fight in the courts. If we lose, we can afford the financial penalties that Ottawa may try to impose under the Canada Health Act. Albertans deserve better than the long waiting periods and technological backwardness that are rapidly coming to characterize Canadian medicine. Alberta should also argue that each province should raise its own revenue for health care – i.e., replace Canada Health and Social Transfer cash with tax points as Quebec has argued for many years. Poorer provinces would continue to rely on Equalization to ensure they have adequate revenues.

Contrary to what the Conservatives would have you believe, they would not be restoring any powers to the provinces, as health care facilities are already under provincial jurisdiction, but must operate in accordance with the Canada Health Act.

If we can get rid of waiting times doing it on our own, within the mandates of the Canada Health Act, we should be allowed to do it. Again, Quebec is right.

Quebec thinks it can get away with it, because they did not sign the Constitution of 1982...what's your excuse for crapping all over a legally binding Act of Parliament?

Use section 88 of the Supreme Court’s decision in the Quebec Secession Reference to force Senate reform back onto the national agenda. Our reading of that decision is that the federal government and other provinces must seriously consider a proposal for constitutional reform endorsed by “a clear majority on a clear question” in a provincial referendum. You acted decisively once before to hold a senatorial election. Now is the time to drive the issue further.

So what constitutional changes, other than senate reform, would they like to decide with a provincial referendum, I wonder...

First things first, senate reform with a Triple E type of senate would go a long way to resolving a lot of issues. Gee, its kinda democratic, too, which offends the elites in the Libs and NDP. What a shame. :roll: :twisted:

No, democracy doesn't offend me, but you, and your separtist agenda sure as hell do... :evil:

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

All a triple E senate would do is cost a lot of money for elections and cripple the system so that nobody could get any legislation through without cherating, back room deal making and corruption, Blue. Go have a look at the US system...it's as screwed up as ours, likely even worse.

The cost of true democracy cannot be measured in dollars and cents. You cannot compare our senate to the us senate, the presidents powers in the us are much different, and less, than the powers our PM has. Our senate could and should be used to offset the "democratic dictatorship" we find ourselves in in Canada. Power to the Provinces!

 

[bluealberta]

Vanni wrote:

"No, democracy doesn't offend me, but you, and your separtist agenda sure as hell do... "

Get used to it, my friend, its going to get louder unless changes are made in this country. Alberta is no longer the little child with her face pressed up against the candy store. She is all grown up now, and not in the mood to take any more legislated and regulated discrimination from the likes of the Liberals, the NDP, and you. :evil: :evil:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Vanni wrote:

"No, democracy doesn't offend me, but you, and your separtist agenda sure as hell do... "

Get used to it, my friend, its going to get louder unless changes are made in this country. Alberta is no longer the little child with her face pressed up against the candy store. She is all grown up now, and not in the mood to take any more legislated and regulated discrimination from the likes of the Liberals, the NDP, and you. :evil: :evil:

Yeah...your party has done a swell job of getting their way so far... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

...and how much did the NDP secure for social spending?

How much blue???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[bluealberta]

Vanni wrote:

"No, democracy doesn't offend me, but you, and your separtist agenda sure as hell do... "

Get used to it, my friend, its going to get louder unless changes are made in this country. Alberta is no longer the little child with her face pressed up against the candy store. She is all grown up now, and not in the mood to take any more legislated and regulated discrimination from the likes of the Liberals, the NDP, and you. :evil: :evil:

Yeah...your party has done a swell job of getting their way so far... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Federally, it is too bad the east has such a problem with success. Must be that inferiority complex they have, I guess. Provincially, we do quite well, with the great results to show from it.

You know, that oil just doesn't flow out of the ground when you stick a pipe in the ground. Massive amounts of Albertan money, mostly private, was used to develop the technology. The Alberta government suspended royalty tax until the industry got established, instead of strangling the industry with taxes just as it got going. This happend long before Ralph, by the way. Showed some real confidence in the industy and Albertans, and showed some imagination from the tax side to accomplish the goals. Ralph finished the job, to put us now in an extremely enviable postion. Too bad it also makes a lot of people jealous, but then, I guess they could come to Alberta to take advantage of the situation too. You know, the ALBERTA ADVANTAGE.

 

[no1important]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

What goes up goes down. Oil is not going to stay high forever, then we wil see the real Alberta (Dis)Advantage. Klein does not know how to manage his money anyways, he just looks good because there is so much of it, and people do not see his screw ups.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The cost of true democracy cannot be measured in dollars and cents.

Yet you have suggested, several times, that Alberta deserves more votes than its population would indicate because they pay more money.

You cannot compare our senate to the us senate, the presidents powers in the us are much different, and less, than the powers our PM has.

Yes I can because you are suggesting that we inflict a senate based on the US model on this country.

Our senate could and should be used to offset the "democratic dictatorship" we find ourselves in in Canada. Power to the Provinces!

That wouldn't help you though, Blue. You would have the same number of senators as every other province and territory and the other provinces would still vote against your ideas. That's why your province has been promoting the American model so stridently...it's a bad enough model that money, highly partisan politics, and questionable influence make a difference.

If you want support for it, find another model or push your party to accept PR and forget about changing the senate.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Too bad it also makes a lot of people jealous, but then, I guess they could come to Alberta to take advantage of the situation too. You know, the ALBERTA ADVANTAGE.

I hate to be the one to tell you this blue, but Alberta is pretty much inconsequential...the rest of us couldn't really give a rat's ass how great you think you are...just keep signing those welfare cheques, and we'll all get along just fine...

 

[bluealberta]

...and how much did the NDP secure for social spending?

How much blue???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yup, $4.6 billion and more if they can get it. The ND's have never met a social program they did not like, and have never met a tax cut they would recognise. Massive surpluses are overtaxation, plain and simple. You guys just want to waste it.