Dissatisfied with Choices

[cub1c]

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I think Quebec has lots to gain from where we conservatives are coming from. Provincial powers will start to be respected, and that is a great place to start mending this country.

I have a lot of respect for what Quebec is doing on that front.

You said it, on that front. And only this one. That's why you see technical alliance between tories and separatists. But it's no solution at all for the unity of this country, and it's probably the best way to make it break. Ontario will be the biggest looser, and it's about time.

 

[Nosferax]

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I think Quebec has lots to gain from where we conservatives are coming from. Provincial powers will start to be respected, and that is a great place to start mending this country.

I have a lot of respect for what Quebec is doing on that front.

ahahahaha :lol: Conservative respectful of provincial jurisdiction... ahahaha That's the best one I heard this week... Stop oplease you are killing me...

We've been fighting since the 60's to get religion, the queen, and the federal out of our air and you propose that we help elect a bunch of right wing, religious nut, union jack waving loonies... :lol:

ahahaahahhahahah...

 

[Jay]

"But it's no solution at all for the unity of this country, and it's probably the best way to make it break."

I just don't see it that way.

"Ontario will be the biggest looser, and it's about time."

It would be very hard for Ontario to lose either way. We just have to much economic and political clout.

 

[Jay]

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I think Quebec has lots to gain from where we conservatives are coming from. Provincial powers will start to be respected, and that is a great place to start mending this country.

I have a lot of respect for what Quebec is doing on that front.

ahahahaha :lol: Conservative respectful of provincial jurisdiction... ahahaha That's the best one I heard this week... Stop oplease you are killing me...

We've been fighting since the 60's to get religion, the queen, and the federal out of our air and you propose that we help elect a bunch of right wing, religious nut, union jack waving loonies... :lol:

ahahaahahhahahah...

I'm glad to make you laugh...

At this point in time the only party in English Canada willing to respect provincial jurisdiction is the conservatives.

 

[cub1c]

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"But it's no solution at all for the unity of this country, and it's probably the best way to make it break."

I just don't see it that way.

Because you probably don't have a clue what Québec thinks of the conservatives. And second, because if we talk about constitutionnal goals, they are pretty much separatists with no guts.

 

[Jay]

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Because you probably don't have a clue what Québec thinks of the conservatives.

Well no, I don't know a tonn about what they think of them, but I do know that your provincial leader was head of the PC's of Canada, and that your ideals represent more of what the current conservative’s ideals are constitutionally.

We want provincial powers respected. I can't say that about the old dead party called the PCs.

And second, because if we talk about constitutionnal goals, they are pretty much separatists with no guts.

I'm not sure I get your meaning here.

 

[cub1c]

Well no, I don't know a tonn about what they think of them, but I do know that your provincial leader was head of the PC's of Canada, and that your ideals represent more of what the current conservative’s ideals are constitutionally.

Probably why we are having the worst government Québec has ever had and that Jean Charest will be the first Québec prime minister to not be reelected for a second mandate. Québecers didn't knew what they know now when they voted for change, not liberals.

I'm not sure I get your meaning here.

They know separation is the only solution for what they want, but they don't have the guts to say it out loud because they would cut themselves up from Ontario. I so love the fact that BQ is only in Québec, so they don't have to act like prostitute hermNDPherm.

 

[Jay]

"They know separation is the only solution for what they want,"

Sorry to keep misunderstanding.....you mean the conservatives?

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Quebec and Alberta. You are supporting separatists, jay.

 

[Jay]

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Quebec and Alberta. You are supporting separatists, jay.

OK, so anyone who supports Quebec and Alberta is a separatist? OK.

I support respect for provincial powers. If that respect can’t be accomplished than I don't see what the point of having the constitution is, and I therefore don't see why any state in Canada would stick around.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Anyone who supports the Harperites or the BQ at this point is supporting separatism. That is far different than supporting Quebec and Alberta.

 

[Jay]

I agree anyone who votes for BQ, is voting for separation. It is BS (and libel) to say that anyone voting for the conservatives (Harper) is a separatist.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Look at his policies. Look at the statements he's made in the past. Look at what some of his MPs have said in the present.

They are separatists, Jay. They are just too cowardly to come out and say so.

 

[Jay]

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Look at his policies. Look at the statements he's made in the past. Look at what some of his MPs have said in the present.

They are separatists, Jay. They are just too cowardly to come out and say so.

I watched the debate from the last election. Harper noted the fact that the BQ wanted to separate. He would have had every opportunity to join in, he didn't, because he isn't a separatist.

As for him not saying he is a separatist, because he wouldn't get the Ontario vote.....well Ontario didn't support him anyways.

Separatism isn't a party platform of the Conservatives. Simple.

BTW, just because someone doesn't support current federalist policies doesn't make them a separatist. But if we are going to play that game I would go so far as to say anyone who does support current federalist policies is a separatist, because those policies are ripping the country apart.

 

[no1important]

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Wasn't Harper the one who wanted Firewalls up around Alberta? And now he is in bed with a seperatist.

An article from Macleans and this part is most interesting:

But how does that square with his more impulsive gestures, such as his op-ed outbursts after the 2000 election, in which he essentially declared himself for Alberta first, the rest of Canada a distant second -- a recklessly hotheaded move for a man with national aspirations?

Read full story here.

 

[Ted]

Getting back to the topic, they all make me sick. Tomorrow I have to decide whether I want to vote for Gordon Campbell's liberal lap dog or the old NDP MLA. Any other option would be a wasted vote in this riding. I really wish I could vote for "None of the Above". But again I will vote for the least bad hoping that this time we will at least have an opposition. God this sucks!

 

[peapod]

Man I love this new crabby BCer...my kind of citizen 8) Welcome Ted!

 

[s_lone]

I totally disagree that voting for the BQ is necessarily a vote for seperation. One of the thing that the BQ keeps repeating and that doesn't seem to stick into most people's head (especially in the ROC) is that democracy isn't about about power but about having every citizen represented by HOPEFULLY honest people. Democracy isn't about power and the BQ has every democratic right of being a federal party.

Yes, the BQ is a seperatist party but Canadians have to deal with that. If Quebecers can't have their country, they'll do all they can to at least have their voices heard. Either Canada says "shut up Quebec!" and we seperate or Canada listens and finally tries to freshen itself up by truly adopting confederal politics.

Personally, I'm a seperatist as long as Canada doesn't give Quebec the political autonomy it wants, so the BQ is the way to go. For me, it's not a vote for seperation but a vote to try and impose change on Canada.

 

[Jay]

I agree that you may believe you are casting a representative vote when voting BQ, but regardless, it is a separatist party, and every vote they get puts them a little closer to achieving their aims.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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And the Harperites, who have a long history of being anti-Quebec, have joined up with that separatist party, Jay.