difference between Harper and Martin

[Reverend Blair]

Could somebody please explain the difference between Harper and Martin to me? Besides the radical right religion that Harper adheres to I mean. I want facts too...no accusing all Liberals of being crooked...the Conservatives' record is no better.

Both are the mouthpieces of big business, both want to further Americanise Canada, both cater to the monied elites. So what is the difference between the two of them?

 

[Numure]

Could somebody please explain the difference between Harper and Martin to me? Besides the radical right religion that Harper adheres to I mean. I want facts too...no accusing all Liberals of being crooked...the Conservatives' record is no better.

Both are the mouthpieces of big business, both want to further Americanise Canada, both cater to the monied elites. So what is the difference between the two of them?

The only big difference, is religion. And Martin is less of an "American Ass Kisser" then Harper. Martin is Catholic, presumed to be french, but he isnt. He is an anglophone... Besides that, both are as hypocrit.

 

[Andem]

Split from original topic "Same sex marriage" and moved to Politics.

 

[gnuman]

There is a big difference between Harper and Martin, its their combovers

Martin-> screwed you already
Harper->Won't screw you until he gets into power

Yah it was kinda distrubing to see the tribute of Reagan and seeing Mulroney there the creator of the evil free trade but it was the Liberals who said they were going to get rid of it, that and the GST! And what 10 years later its still being done? I think not!

Jack Layton said atleast he'll raise taxes for high income earners to increase spending in healthcare. $9bln doesn't come out of nowhere it comes out of the middle class.

If all of Quebec would vote for BQ there would be a chance they could get in power. Actually the best days of Canada was when the Bloc was official opposition under the leadership of Bouchard.

 

[Démocrite]

I think the most fundamental difference between Harper and Martin is their respective supporters being totally different:

Martin has been pushed into politics by and on behalf of big corporations like his, which have literally financed his political career and transformed his personal life. Once in power as prime minister he's going to have to pay back the backing he's got from big corporations.

Harper's political course is really based on Western's state of alienation and his supporters feel Western provinces have not received the attention they deserved. These are average middle income citizens who are not responding exclusively through money, that is they want to address firstly moral issues more than business issues. For them, the politiccal wordl is very much connected to morality. Once elected, Harper will have to face these guys at party conventions and these people will tell him in clearer demands what they want and for what they've given voluntary time for the last 10 years since the Reform party. Harper will have no other choice than to pass bills on controversial issues like, bilinguism, abortions, same-sex marriage, marijuana decriminilisation. A bit the way G W Bush does politics, always bringing into account the so-called Good and Evil in every single issue.

 

[TenPenny]

I think the big difference between Harper and Martin is that Martin is a fiscally conservative, socially middle to liberal; Harper is hard right on everything. If you think George Bush isn't right wing enough, then Harper's your man.

Harper wants to turn Canada into the US, and he makes no bones about it. And look at his cohort, Peter Mackay. Not only does Mackay live up to his written promises (NOT), but who's his big supporter? Brian Mulroney, of course.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Yeah, the second Mulroney stumbled back into the picture, I became very afraid. Then again, I really don't see that much difference between the policies of Mulroney and those of Martin.

 

[Koga Ringo]

The only big difference, is religion. And Martin is less of an "American Ass Kisser" then Harper. Martin is Catholic, presumed to be french, but he isnt. He is an anglophone... Besides that, both are as hypocrit.

What?
Religion isn't the only difference, it is one, but your leaving out so many others.


Let me explain something about the Liberals.
Our Prime Minister right now, was the Finance Minister of Canada at the time of the sponsership scandel, where $250,000,000,000 of tax payers money seemed to disappear. He was in charge of this not happening. His only excuse was "I can't do to things at once". Like he wouldn't see a GIANT chunk of money missing out of our pockets.

The new Conservatives havn't been given a chance at doing anything wrong yet, and are especially better than the Liberal thieves.

They promise things which I would love to be changed.

1. War on child Pornography
They will crackdown hardcore on child pornography and no longer make it an "Art-form", which the Liberals have so interestingly coined it.

2. Crackdown on Murderers
Anyone that is accused of kiling someone without proper justification will serve their full time, instead of it getting shortened after the decloration was made, like it is now, thank you Liberal.

3. Gun Registry Tax lifted
What the Liberals imposed was a tax on gun owners, which was the stupidest thing that could have been done, seeing as how criminals have an easier time getting weapons than law-biting citizens do. What the Tax was trying to do was keep people from buying guns, but what it really did, was force criminals to buy guns through the black market, and then average citizens just lose money. Many times have people tried to explain this unusual tax to be lifted for its flaws, but the Liberals, like they always do, don't listen and continue with their "We want a better Canada" slogan.

4. More Money to National Defense
Our military is pathetic. Everyone knows it.
It was a lame attempted at egtting everyone else to lower their military down from our example. What really happened was everyone ignored it, and Canada was left with no defence.
The reason why they ignored it, was because it's pretty easy to lower your defences when no one around you wants to attack/invade. All those countries throughout Europe have been at war for ever, and arn't just one day going to stop fighting, and forget about their lost mothers and families.
All in all, Canada could use the military, and stop rellying on Americans to fofill OUR trademark of peace keepers.

5. Common Sense
They promise not to steal $250,000,000,000,so I think they deserve my vote.

 

[moghrabi]

Lets forget about the differences between the political leaders in this election. I want to say something about the similarities between them. THEY ARE ALL CROOKS.

 

[Koga Ringo]

Yeah well no.

The Reform party, Canadian Alliance and the New Conservative Party of Canada have never, ever stolen, lied or done anything to achieve your disrespect.
The preoblem is no one gives them a chance just claiming they are thieves and crooks just because it is easier.

Give them a chance, then judge them.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The last Conservative government did just that. Stockwell Day, while in the Alberta government, tried to have the people of Alberta pay for his personal court case. Stephen Harper has made proposals that would cost us all.

 

[TenPenny]

The Reform party, Canadian Alliance and the New Conservative Party of Canada have never, ever stolen, lied or done anything to achieve your disrespect.

Well, if you ignore the fact that the whole merger was predicated on a lie signed in writing by Peter Mackay, you might be right. And I'm noticing that Harper is being careful in how he says things, like "HE" won't introduce anti-abortion legislation "IN HIS FIRST TERM". Suddenly the little clarifications are coming out, so that he can cover his butt.

 

[owl]

no one can americanize Canada more than it is. It is already a poor man's version of the US. All the trappings without the cash.

Owl

 

[TenPenny]

I don't think Canada has "all the trappings" of the US; there are some fundamental differences; the fact that we have universal health care being the most obvious. We have a completely different form of government.

 

[the higher critic]

Yeah well no.

The Reform party, Canadian Alliance and the New Conservative Party of Canada have never, ever stolen, lied or done anything to achieve your disrespect.
The preoblem is no one gives them a chance just claiming they are thieves and crooks just because it is easier.

Give them a chance, then judge them.

i gave them that chance back when they first rode outta the west, right up until the holocaust denials, the selling out to halliburton, the tar sands fraud, and the collapse of albertan and ontarian social services due to "privatization," which is the biggest steaming pile of 'em all... competition doesn't mean lower prices, idiots - it means an eventual monopoly by the lowest bidder - so move to the states so it's YOUR kid who gets that bargain-basement operation... it won't be mine, cause i'll take up arms before we get that far, up here beyond the 49th.

your regressive-conservative alliance consists of fundamentalist fools who don't deserve the title "christian" because they are the most intolerant group of motherf*ckers this nation has ever bred. to them, the bible consists of the old testament (wars, wives' handmaidens, etc.) and the "revelation" (all the really fruitcake william-blake sorta stuff) - they skip right over the whole jesus part... check it out, goof, it's usually the part printed in red ink.

...and for those of you who think we're a "poor-man's usa"... your ass must be sore, what with your head so far up it! have you actually spent any time in the states? as in, time not spent in a hotel or a gated community? we have a much better standard of living in Canada and i'm not going to let you idiots throw that away just because you can't think critically; and because you swallow whatever milky load the fear-mongering corporate press shoots at your face.

i mean, i like starcraft too (at least in 1996), but really, Ringo, quit smoking that crack!

 

[T. Rex]

There are many differences between Paul Martin and Stephen Harper. I will list some.

Paul Martin is part of a big corporation called Canada Steamship Lines. He put it in his kids names for now but don't be fooled.

Paul Martin evades taxes. Harper does not.

Paul Martin is only in office to benefit himself and his corporation friends. Harper wants power to bring order to Canada and the west.

Sponsership, Mr. Martin? Harper, forget about sponsorship.

Paul Martin has policy that is so liberal you can be sick because he supports gay marriage, legalized pot, and other dangerous things. Harper does not support these ideas and does not hide it or lie about it to the media to get votes. Paul Martin is a catholic and will not even state his personal view. IS THIS WHO WE WANT IN POWER? Somebody who will not even tell there position??

 

[the higher critic]

Paul Martin has policy that is so liberal you can be sick because he supports gay marriage, legalized pot, and other dangerous things...

those are dangerous things? those things are not even dangerous if done simultaneously (while skydiving -ed.). i'm much more scared of closed-minded greed-heads from red deer, especially with unlicenced guns - i take mine with licence, and two sugars.

and if yer so patriotic - why "t.rex?" was "albertosaurus" taken?

i agree that paul martin is a corporate tool, but at least that corporation isn't halliburton. and seriously, are you gonna make me bring up airbus? i can't believe that jay-leno-meets-robert-vaughn looking asshole is all over the tube again. s'probably cause harper's all over HIS tube.

i laugh at your tar sands!

 

[Reverend Blair]

Stephen Harper wants to bring the USA to Canada. Not the good parts of the US, Like Marlboro red packs and The Nation, either. Harper wants to bring the worst parts of the US to Canada... a huge wage gap, few social programs, and corporate dominance of political and social forums.

No thanks.

Maybe we could take up a collection and ship L'il Stevie to Mississppi?

 

[Diamond Sun]

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Paul Martin is a catholic and will not even state his personal view. IS THIS WHO WE WANT IN POWER? Somebody who will not even tell there position??

I didn't realize that being in politics was about supporting personal views. I thought it was about proposing policies and ideas that were along your parties lines, and in sync with what the majority of Canada wanted. This is why Stephen Harper is backtracking on so many comments of his party goers. They are spouting personal views that don't coincide with what the party is proposing.

That is what scares me.

 

[Andem]

Actually, I recently did a news report / commentary which has something to do with this topic. The differences between Paul Martin and Stephen Harper are somewhat touched on in the article.

Here is it: http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/article_682.html