Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen?

Reverend Blair

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Bush's cuts and stupidity go back much further than a couple of months though, Said. To keep repeating that money is disingenuous. As the article that Ocean posted pointed out, things like his failure to support wetlands 4 years ago are having a direct effect now.
 

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New Orleans certainly does qualify as "wetlands" now. FEMA is doing a phenomenal job of managing this disaster.Just my opinion,tho.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
Bush's cuts and stupidity go back much further than a couple of months though, Said. To keep repeating that money is disingenuous. As the article that Ocean posted pointed out, things like his failure to support wetlands 4 years ago are having a direct effect now.

Did anyone read the link I posted? It's not only his failure AND expenditures on engineering the Mississippi that are now reaping the consequences.

Here's the link again, in case you missed it:http://www.canadiancontent.net/en/j...bs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline04/0704feat.html
 

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Said1 said:
Katrina was Bush's fault?
We know that Incurious George endorses 'Intelligent Design,' unfortunately, he didn’t underwrite intelligent maintainence.

It is that which is the fault of his policies.

What policies?/ Can someone give me a government link outlining the cuts as they pertain to the topic of this thread? For my own curiosity, nothing more.
 

GL Schmitt

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Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, just explained that the reason the New Orleans evacuation is taking so long is because it is being made difficult because of the water in the streets.

I guess when they ran their disaster response exercises for New Orleans they never considered that such an eventuality might occur.

I don't know about you, but I feel safer already. :roll:
 

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Why does everyone talk so much about Bush and America? Unless you are going to help America, why not just worry about your own country and leave them alone?
 

Vanni Fucci

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GL Schmitt said:
Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, just explained that the reason the New Orleans evacuation is taking so long is because it is being made difficult because of the water in the streets.

I guess when they ran their disaster response exercises for New Orleans they never considered that such an eventuality might occur.

I don't know about you, but I feel safer already. :roll:

Someone should tell Chertoff to watch some Gilligan's Island reruns to get a feel for basic raft making techniques... :?
 

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GL Schmitt said:
Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, just explained that the reason the New Orleans evacuation is taking so long is because it is being made difficult because of the water in the streets.

I guess when they ran their disaster response exercises for New Orleans they never considered that such an eventuality might occur.

I don't know about you, but I feel safer already. :roll:

That's too bad the city was so unprepared given their experience with such things.
 

Ocean Breeze

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I don't know about you, but I feel safer already.


oh absolutely !.......NOT!! :wink: With this kind of rocket science "thinking" going on...... it is every man for himself, every female for herself......and gosh knows .....heaven help the kids... ( most kids have guns and will be able to shoot their way out of situations. Aren't guns great?? Another aspect that makes one feel so warm and cozy all over.-------NOT. :roll:
 

Ocean Breeze

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Said1 said:
GL Schmitt said:
Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, just explained that the reason the New Orleans evacuation is taking so long is because it is being made difficult because of the water in the streets.

I guess when they ran their disaster response exercises for New Orleans they never considered that such an eventuality might occur.

I don't know about you, but I feel safer already. :roll:

That's too bad the city was so unprepared given their experience with such things.

What is REALLY too bad is that the USG diverted its attention into WARRING on a distant nation........channeling the resources into WAR as opposed to dealing with such issues (pre-paredness etc) at home. bush has been mismanaging things left and right. ......borrowing from paul to pay peter or diverting resources to fit HIS own agenda.......weakening other areas or leaving them vulnerable. But then according to bush there is no such thing as global warming, weather changes .......and if it does not exist.......it does not require attention......now does it. He operates by the "If you ignore it long enough , it might go away" principle.........which is coming back to bite him in the butt.
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
Said1 said:
GL Schmitt said:
Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, just explained that the reason the New Orleans evacuation is taking so long is because it is being made difficult because of the water in the streets.

I guess when they ran their disaster response exercises for New Orleans they never considered that such an eventuality might occur.

I don't know about you, but I feel safer already. :roll:

That's too bad the city was so unprepared given their experience with such things.

What is REALLY too bad is that the USG diverted its attention into WARRING on a distant nation........channeling the resources into WAR as opposed to dealing with such issues (pre-paredness etc) at home. bush has been mismanaging things left and right. ......borrowing from paul to pay peter or diverting resources to fit HIS own agenda.......weakening other areas or leaving them vulnerable. But then according to bush there is no such thing as global warming, weather changes .......and if it does not exist.......it does not require attention......now does it. He operates by the "If you ignore it long enough , it might go away" principle.........which is coming back to bite him in the butt.

Oooook. Have you looked at any of the budget cuts and new guidlines FEMA has been operating under since 2001 - as it relates to the city of New Orleans? You can find it at their web site. :)

I prefer to look at a topic by going right to the source instead of relying on articles quoting un-named authors of un-named reports produced by un-named organizations.
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
becka said:
Why does everyone talk so much about Bush and America? Unless you are going to help America, why not just worry about your own country and leave them alone?

If you have to ask that question, I'd hazard a guess that you've taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque... :roll:


Good one Vanni. ( you just made a pretty good day better....;-)

September 1, 2005

The full force of the Bush catastrophe is finally beginning to be felt.
Currently, New Orleans is flooded with tons of chemical contaminants and hydrocarbons "that will continue to poison the Gulf of Mexico for more than a decade". (Democracy Now) An official from the Environmental Protection Agency told the Washington Post, "This is the worst case.. There's not enough money in the Gross National Product of the United States to dispose of the amount of hazardous material in this area."

Could the tragedy have been avoided?
What might have happened if the Bush Administration hadn't ordered the "steepest reduction in hurricane-and-flood control funding for New Orleans in history?" (Will Bunch "Why the Levee Broke")
Despite the constant warnings from SELA (Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project) Bush elected to under-fund the Lake Pontchartrain levee project by nearly 80%. Of the $20 million the project required, the Bush administration only provided a paltry $4 million. Now New Orleans is buried under a 10 ft deep chemical-stew and corpses are reported to be bobbing atop the storm waters in the poorer neighborhoods.

Welcome to Bush's America; where the uber-rich can expect lavish tax cuts and the huddled masses get a 3 day lock-up at the Superdome; where the government redirects desperately-needed resources to the oil wars in Mesopatamia and entire regions disappear beneath the flood-waters at home.
The New Orleans tragedy is America's tragedy; the inevitable victory of ideology over science; the triumph of greed over reason.
The Bush tax cuts and the skyrocketing costs of the war in Iraq have brought Falluja to Louisiana; the only difference being that snipers are not perched on the buildings to shoot the wounded on their way to the hospital.

As Will Bunch said, "Washington knew exactly what needed to be done to protect the citizens of New Orleans from disasters like Katrina. Yet federal funding for Louisiana flood control projects was diverted to pay for the war in Iraq." The Army Corps of Engineers couldn't complete their vital work because Bush turned off the spigot while the levees continued to sink.

The hurricane was not avoidable; the Bush flood certainly was.
Bush also played a major role in savaging the wetlands that protect the surrounding area from the storm surges that result from hurricanes like Katrina. As Sidney Blumenthal points out, "Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf reduces a surge by half a foot." Even though he was aware of this, in 2003 Bush allowed developers to destroy the sensitive wetland areas that buffer the coast. It was the equivalent of taking the seat-belts, air bags, and bumpers off a car and then driving the opposite way on the freeway. The disaster was just the predictable outcome of dreadfully flawed policies.

Now, the administration will have to deal with the devastation in New Orleans like they deal with every tragedy of their own making; by diverting attention from themselves and by mounting a public relations offensive spearheaded by the performer-in chief.
Expect to see Bush in a National Guard jumpsuit; preening before the adoring media while he condemns the wretched minorities who are picking through the debris of downtown New Orleans.

The looting is just another Karl Rove red-herring intended to draw attention from the criminal negligence of the Bush cabal. The 10 ft wave that marched through New Orleans; devastating everything in its path and creating a small army of American refugees, originated in Washington. Don't forget it.

above might provide some insight into the :sign2: question.
 

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GL Schmitt said:
Is this what you mean?


New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers faces . . .
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367


Bush budget not expected to diminish New Orleans district's $65M
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050207/ai_n10176537


Do a rapid Google of “Bush – SELA – Budget.”

I warn you, there are a lot of angry voices out there.

You're right, there were lots of angry bloggers and posters out there.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Said1 said:
GL Schmitt said:
Is this what you mean?


New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers faces . . .
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367


Bush budget not expected to diminish New Orleans district's $65M
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050207/ai_n10176537


Do a rapid Google of “Bush – SELA – Budget.”

I warn you, there are a lot of angry voices out there.

You're right, there were lots of angry bloggers and posters out there.

well........there are a lot .....and increasing number of angry people "out there" and justifiably so. Had the pleasure of meeting two delightful gals from NYC today.......and golly gee: you wanna hear anger ........ :!: Things are simmering and it ain't healthy.
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
well........there are a lot .....and increasing number of angry people "out there" and justifiably so. Had the pleasure of meeting two delightful gals from NYC today.......and golly gee: you wanna hear anger ........ :!: Things are simmering and it ain't healthy.
Somebody should tell them that. "You've got to hold back a Category 5 Hurricane with the levees your evacuated city has got."

That'll make them feel better.