Depleted Uranium-Far Worse Than 9/11

[#juan]

Re: DEPLETED URANIUM - FAR WORSE THAN 9/11

I guess you missed a few things.

Ms. Moret earned her B.S. in Geology at U.C. Davis in 1968, and her M.A. in Near Eastern Studies from U.C. Berkeley in 1978. She has completed all but her dissertation for a PhD. in the Geosciences at U.C. Davis. She has traveled and conducted scientific research in 42 countries.

She wrote a scientific report on depleted uranium for the United Nations subcommission investigating the illegality of depleted uranium munitions. She has been trained on radiation issues by Marion Fulk, a former Manhattan Project Scientist and retired insider at the Livermore Lab who is an expert on radioactive fallout and rainout.

There is a lot more.

 

[BitWhys]

RE: DEPLETED URANIUM - FAR WORSE THAN 9/11

oh

is this the "Depleted Uranium is Harmless" thread?

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Depleted Uranium-Far

I will attempt to rehijack the thread back to the heading " depleted uranium far worse than 9/11". DU has already killed more people than 9/11, it's already had an enormous impact on the health of service personell stationed in the conflict region and the civilians who live there and little is being done about it. Of course we have defenders of all things imperial trying to quash discussion and marginalize concerns about a deadly problem that must be addressed. The manufacturers and the military knew about the toxic nature of DU and went ahead with it's use anyway, that's how rotten the ruling elite really are, thay care about nothing but power. It's always about power in whatever form, money, weapons, oil or legislation.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: DEPLETED URANIUM - FAR WORSE THAN 9/11

Ahem

Leuren Moret is a self-proclaimed international expert on the health and environmental effects of depleted uranium who has worked at two U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories.

She earned her Bachelor of Science in Geology at University of California, Davis in 1968, and her Master of Arts in Near Eastern Studies from University of California, Berkeley in 1978. She has not yet completed her dissertation for a PhD in the Geosciences at Davis. In fact, U.C. Davis says she is no longer an active student in their graduate program. She has been trained on radiation issues by a former Manhattan Project scientist. Moret's claims on depleted uranium are not taken seriously by the mainstream scientific community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuren_Moret

The fringe left is at it again.

Perhaps I am thinking of someone else, but I thought that you, I think not, thought that the information on Wikipedia was unreliable and should be ignored?

 

[Jersay]

Good point Darkbeaver about this issue.

No one is doubting that September 11 was terrible, but what is occuring now in Iraq and Afghanistan and could fall into terrorist hands is depleted uranium that could be devestating on America, but is devestating Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[#juan]

Five

They are only to be ignored when they disagree with ITN's current opinion.

 

[#juan]

U 238, the main component

of depleted uranium, has a half life of 4.46 billion years. In simple language, it doesn't go away. Apparently, the Pentagon believes in short term gain, for very long term pain, for everyone in the world.

 

[Jersay]

Of course. What did you expect from the Pentagon.

 

[darkbeaver]

Good point Darkbeaver about this issue.

No one is doubting that September 11 was terrible, but what is occuring now in Iraq and Afghanistan and could fall into terrorist hands is depleted uranium that could be devestating on America, but is devestating Iraq and Afghanistan.

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It's already in the hands of terrorists Jersay, if the other side gets it the victims will look exactly the same, same method and materials same result, therefore same perpatrators, terrorists. The only choice we have, is thier terrorists or our terrorists.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Nice to see a serious issue turned into yet another bash America Thread. Or wait was that Darkbeaver's DU Thread? It's hard to keep track.. :roll:

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: Cross-border Concerns

I would suggest, Johnny Utah, that whether or not the source of attacks using depleted uranium was the administration of the United States, the administration of Canada, or any other nation, that the use of agents and weapons which would cause such long-term damage, and such damage to the environment and future generations, should be condemned by persons on each side of this discussion.

 

[#juan]

This thread is not specifically anti-American

But there is no doubt that DU. is a terrible, toxic, substance, and the damage it is doing, and will keep on doing, is infinately worse than 9/11.

It has already killed many times the number killed on 9/11.

That the Americans were the first to use this poison, is probably secondary. The point is, that tons of the stuff has already been used, and I don't have any idea how it can be cleaned up. Nor does anyone else. DU from Iraq and Afghanistan can be found in the air, all over the world. I don't think we have to be happy about this bloody disaster. Do you?

 

[I think not]

Re: DEPLETED URANIUM - FAR WORSE THAN 9/11

I guess you missed a few things.

Ms. Moret earned her B.S. in Geology at U.C. Davis in 1968, and her M.A. in Near Eastern Studies from U.C. Berkeley in 1978. She has completed all but her dissertation for a PhD. in the Geosciences at U.C. Davis. She has traveled and conducted scientific research in 42 countries.

She wrote a scientific report on depleted uranium for the United Nations subcommission investigating the illegality of depleted uranium munitions. She has been trained on radiation issues by Marion Fulk, a former Manhattan Project Scientist and retired insider at the Livermore Lab who is an expert on radioactive fallout and rainout.

There is a lot more.

I only need to know she is not taken seriously by the mainstream scientific community, the rest is bullcrap. Mainstream scientific community being, serious scientists, not pseudo intellectuals.

 

[I think not]

Re: DEPLETED URANIUM - FAR WORSE THAN 9/11

Perhaps I am thinking of someone else, but I thought that you, I think not, thought that the information on Wikipedia was unreliable and should be ignored?

No you have it right, I enjoy throwing it back into the court of those who believe wikipedia, why don't you believe it now? Hmmm, I wonder.

I challenge you to show me any scientific report, not an opinion, a report, perhaps from the World Health Organization? That links DU with deformed births. Go ahead and try, I have searched and have never found anything.

I agree DU is highly toxic, and even then, according to reports, it causes severe liver damage.

 

[I think not]

Five

They are only to be ignored when they disagree with ITN's current opinion.

Stick to your own rules, ITN is not the topic here. Or do the rules stop applying when your name appears in green? Just curious.

 

[fuzzylogix]

Interesting post, #Juan. In fact I was going to look up just where they were manufacturing those DU bombs, so I could ensure I never lived near it.

 

[FiveParadox]

I didn't say that I didn't agree with the Wikipedia article, I think not, I asked why you did, even after affirming that you think Wikipedia is a load of crap. As for the "rules", the rules apply to everyone on these forums — and contrary to popular belief, that does in fact include you, I think not.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Depleted Uranium-Far Worse Than 9/11

I didn't say that I didn't agree with the Wikipedia article, I think not, I asked why you did, even after affirming that you think Wikipedia is a load of crap. As for the "rules", the rules apply to everyone on these forums — and contrary to popular belief, that does in fact include you, I think not.

I've read enough articles and books Five that I know where an article is headed and where it came from (bias). When the author begins with Vietnam: an oil war, I know which direction it is headed. And I certainly don't need wikipedia to prove me otherwise, but apparently, some do, and even then it isn't enough.

And ITN isn't the topic, did ITN attack any poster? NO, ITN went after a pseudo intellectual. So who broke the rules? I know I didn't.

 

[BitWhys]

for the record...

Uranium’s Effect On DNA Established

The use of depleted uranium in munitions and weaponry is likely to come under intense scrutiny now that new research that found that uranium can bind to human DNA. The finding will likely have far-reaching implications for returned soldiers, civilians living in what were once war-zones and people who might live near uranium mines or processing facilities.

Uranium - when manifested as a radioactive metal - has profound and debilitating effects on human DNA. These radioactive effects have been well understood for decades, but there has been considerable debate and little agreement concerning the possible health risks associated with low-grade uranium ore (yellowcake) and depleted uranium.

Now however, Northern Arizona University biochemist Diane Stearns has established that when cells are exposed to uranium, the uranium binds to DNA and the cells acquire mutations, triggering a whole slew of protein replication errors, some of which can lead to various cancers. Stearns' research, published in the journals Mutagenesis and Molecular Carcinogenesis, confirms what many have suspected for some time - that uranium can damage DNA as a heavy metal, independently of its radioactive properties. "Essentially, if you get a heavy metal stuck on DNA, you can get a mutation," Stearns explained. While other heavy metals are known to bind to DNA, Stearns and her team were the first to identify this characteristic with uranium.

Depleted uranium - what is left over when the highly radioactive isotopes of uranium are removed - is widely used by the military. Anti-tank weapons, tank armor and ammunition rounds are just some of the applications. "The health effects of uranium really haven't been studied since the Manhattan Project (the development of the atomic bomb in the early 1940s). But now there is more interest in the health effects of depleted uranium. People are asking questions now," Stearns said.

Her research may shed light on the possible connection between exposure to depleted uranium and Gulf War Syndrome, or to increased cancers and birth defects in the Middle East and Balkans. And closer to home, questions continue to be asked about environmental exposure to uranium from mine tailings; heavily concentrated around Native American communities. "When the uranium mining boom crashed in the '80s, there wasn't much cleanup," Stearns said. Estimates put the number of abandoned mines on the Navajo Nation in Arizona at more than 1,100.


Source: Northern Arizona University

 

[jimmoyer]

Depleted uranium is an abomination.

It happens to be an accountant's dream. How to get
rid of uranium waste ? AND...make some money ?

France does really well on this, as do all the nuclear
reactor nations.

It pierces armour really well.

It's got a good half life.

But in comparison to other things that will kill us, it takes a long time to kill, and where this stuff lives, a lot more deadly problems exist in far greater degree
to shorten one's lifespan anywhere.

That's a fact.

So too is depleted uranium being an abomination.