Democrats: 3-6 month withdrawal Iraq

cortex

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hopelessly entagled
I used to feel that way, but now that I am much older, I see it this way, we are very content, and the
more I learn how the rest of the world lives, the more content I become, (about my own country) and
wish others in the world could go through their lives without so much strife and sadness and violence.
As much as you disagree with u.s. behavior, you must have an opinion about the behavior of many other
countries, who seem to treat their people in a very medieval manner, it disgusts me.

yes it disgusts me---but what makes it feel so hopeless is that the nations able to do something really dont but take advantage of it as well--and perhaps they have to.

The fact is the entire system --world system is what is ill---the fact that a small number of countries can exist in relative freeedom and wealth is in a sense related to the fact that they can ---PREY on the rest---at least to some extent--without that VAST net tranfer of wealth from them to us I dont believe we would have the social stability to allow the freedoms we enjoy.

Its the totallity of the system. We--that is the US the EU and even Canada ( by proxy) can afford to arm ourselves and have enough left over for ipods---but they cannot--and the extent that they do arm themselves also contibutes greatly to our wealth.

You see what REALLY drives my apparently anti-US rants is this--the lost opportuinity--the fact that I do believe the US as a nation with its power and technology and the diversity of its people and its advanced superlative constitution could actually lead the entire world forward----if only it would. As the most advanced nation on the planet it is still in fact behaving like a TRIBE---we cant afford that anymore--as we are clearly headed for a worldwide ecological and social catastrophe.

The challenge is HOW , how to SHIFT from the hypercompetative adversarial war game that has in part fueled our ascension to 0ne world perspective which would the be in line with the actual one world that exists concretely as such in the form of our inextricable interdependance and embeddedness in nature.

I dont see anyone doing this--really--just half hearted attempts--

We still think we can afford to play games.

We cant.---and the dems is good while the republicans is bad game as well as the US is bad and canada or the uk is good game is pitifully, silly as well as tiresome

God i LOVE getting on a high horse!
 

talloola

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world behavior

yes it disgusts me---but what makes it feel so hopeless is that the nations able to do something really dont but take advantage of it as well--and perhaps they have to

Well, I'll do my best here, but I am not that great wth written explanations Is it as simple as - inside
of most nations, it is the behavior and greediness of a certain element of people that drive them to
push forward to gain for themselves and their greedy friends, searching for money and power , and
the rest of us just want to have a fairly simple life, be happy and - don't take advantage
of others, and while we're all doing that, those others guys are becoming rich and powerful and
learning how to gain from the disadvantage of others, and on and on it goes, until finally the powerful
ones are runniing the countries, threatening others, stealing from their own, making deals with the
devil. They are not the majority, but they are the ones heard and feared. A good example maybe,
is the method Sadam Husein used to finally become the person in charge of Iraq, from what I read,
he was just a "heavy" for earlier leaders, and finally after many blood thirsty murders, etc, he over
threw his bosses, and became "them" And, in the u.s. and Can. and other such countries, money
is everything when it comes to gaining power, as it is "bought". Hillary Clinton is a good example
at this time, as she has so much more money than any of her opponants, for the upcoming dem.
campaign, that it seems almost impossible at this point for anyone else to catch her. The white
house seems to be just a huge corporation owned by many other corporations, so how could
any of us ever compete with that


You see what REALLY drives my apparently anti-US rants is this--the lost opportuinity--the fact that I do believe the US as a nation with its power and technology and the diversity of its people and its advanced superlative constitution could actually lead the entire world forward-

Aside from the Palestinian situation,(which I'm just not sure about at times0, and having such an illiterate and arrogant dunce like Bush at the
helm, I think the U S. in the past has done a pretty good job..

---if only it would. As the most advanced nation on the planet it is still in fact behaving like a TRIBE---we cant afford that anymore--as we are clearly headed for a worldwide ecological and social catastrophe.

I agree, but I have hope for the future, IF the U.S. gets back to what it knows best, and that is,
setting a good example of living in a democracy, so that others will really want it too, and to keep
it's name in good standing in the world, as one of PEACE, irrespective of what Terrorists do, and
move through those catastrophes with the United Nations, very carefully, so that they don't lose
the support of most of the world, the Afghan istan situation was OK, with a coalition, and doing
what they had to, and making good progress, until BUSH got a new wacky idea, (which I think
he had all along) to find a way to blame it on Iraq. I feel so frustrated with how someone like him
has changed the world, "who the hell does he think he is" anyway.

The challenge is HOW , how to SHIFT from the hypercompetative adversarial war game that has in part fueled our ascension to 0ne world perspective

Well, my simple explanation to that is just what I said above, with someone like Gen. Wesley Clark
at the helm, who will talk to the enemy and persevere with diplomacy so that all know where all
stand at all times.

which would the be in line with the actual one world that exists concretely as such in the form of our inextricable interdependance and embeddedness in nature.

whew, right over my head


We cant.---and the dems is good while the republicans is bad game as well as the US is bad and canada or the uk is good game is pitifully, silly as well as tiresome

You bet, and Canada could constantly speak up, with our broad minded and peaceful view of
most things, and become much more defiant with the u.s. attitude at the moment, BUT, we have
them sitting right next door to TAKE CARE of us, so we must not rock the boat, or we might
have to build our own army, and this is much easier.