Democrat Party Civil War Begins

EagleSmack

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I haven't heard much about who is favored for the Dems to run in the next Presidential election.

I'm guessing that it's not Clinton, so who are the favorites?

That is a great question... I'd expect another bloodbath between the Libs and Alt-Left.
 

Curious Cdn

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Who's favoured to run for the GOP? Will President Pence get another crack at it after the armed Crusade sent to California?
 

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Greater Of Two Evils: Why The Democratic Party Is Worse Than The Republican Party For 85% Of The U.S. Population
By Bruce Lerro
April 01, 2018
Greater Of Two Evils: Why The Democratic Party Is Worse Than The Republican Party For 85% Of The U.S. Population | Planning Beyond Capitalism

Lesser of two evils

Among liberals and all the different types of socialists, when the subject of the Democratic Party comes up, there are at least two variations. One is the familiar liberal argument that the Democratic Party is the “lesser of two evils”. For them, the Republican Party is the source of most, if not all problems while the Democratic Party is presented as shortsighted, weak and or incompetent bumblers. Among some of the more compromising members of the Green Party, the lesser of two evils manifests itself when it implores its voters to “vote in safe states”

There are a number of reasons why I will claim that the Democratic Party is not the lesser of two evils. But for now, I want to point out that the lesser of two evils has at its foundation a political spectrum which is organized linearly with conservatives and fascists on the right. Along the left there are liberals, followed by social democrats, state socialists, and anarchists on the extreme left. All the forces moving from liberals leftward is broadly categorized as “progressive.” What this implies is that there are only quantitative differences between being a liberal and being any kind of socialist. In this scenario, being a liberal is somehow closer to being a socialist than being a liberal is to a being a conservative. However, there is an elephant in the room, and the elephant is capitalism.

What unites all socialists – social democrats, Maoists, Trotskyists, council communists and anarchists – is opposition to capitalism. What divides us from liberals, whether they are inside or outside the Democratic Party, is that liberals are for capitalism. In relation to the economic system, liberals are closer to conservatives than they are to socialists of any kind. So, the “lesser of two evils “argument is based on the expectation that socialists will ignore the capitalist economic system and make believe that capitalism is somehow progressive. It might have been possible to argue this case 60 years ago, but today capitalism makes its profits on war, slave prison labor and fictitious capital. Characterizing this as “progress” is ludicrous.

How to conceive of the two-party system:







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Cornered Office
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The Trump administration has the nasty defensiveness of a trapped cat these days
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501 Days in Swampland
A constant drip of self-dealing. And this is just what we know so far …
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pgs

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Greater Of Two Evils: Why The Democratic Party Is Worse Than The Republican Party For 85% Of The U.S. Population
By Bruce Lerro
April 01, 2018
Greater Of Two Evils: Why The Democratic Party Is Worse Than The Republican Party For 85% Of The U.S. Population | Planning Beyond Capitalism

Lesser of two evils

Among liberals and all the different types of socialists, when the subject of the Democratic Party comes up, there are at least two variations. One is the familiar liberal argument that the Democratic Party is the “lesser of two evils”. For them, the Republican Party is the source of most, if not all problems while the Democratic Party is presented as shortsighted, weak and or incompetent bumblers. Among some of the more compromising members of the Green Party, the lesser of two evils manifests itself when it implores its voters to “vote in safe states”

There are a number of reasons why I will claim that the Democratic Party is not the lesser of two evils. But for now, I want to point out that the lesser of two evils has at its foundation a political spectrum which is organized linearly with conservatives and fascists on the right. Along the left there are liberals, followed by social democrats, state socialists, and anarchists on the extreme left. All the forces moving from liberals leftward is broadly categorized as “progressive.” What this implies is that there are only quantitative differences between being a liberal and being any kind of socialist. In this scenario, being a liberal is somehow closer to being a socialist than being a liberal is to a being a conservative. However, there is an elephant in the room, and the elephant is capitalism.

What unites all socialists – social democrats, Maoists, Trotskyists, council communists and anarchists – is opposition to capitalism. What divides us from liberals, whether they are inside or outside the Democratic Party, is that liberals are for capitalism. In relation to the economic system, liberals are closer to conservatives than they are to socialists of any kind. So, the “lesser of two evils “argument is based on the expectation that socialists will ignore the capitalist economic system and make believe that capitalism is somehow progressive. It might have been possible to argue this case 60 years ago, but today capitalism makes its profits on war, slave prison labor and fictitious capital. Characterizing this as “progress” is ludicrous.

How to conceive of the two-party system:







Large Image:
Cornered Office
https://media.vanityfair.com/photos...00,c_limit/t-the-tyrant-trap-wolcott-1117.jpg

Image:
The Trump administration has the nasty defensiveness of a trapped cat these days
https://media.vanityfair.com/photos..._600,c_limit/the-tyrant-trap-wolcott-1117.jpg

Large Image:
501 Days in Swampland
A constant drip of self-dealing. And this is just what we know so far …
https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/...gazine/trump-corruption-lede.w512.h600.2x.jpg
Good article , and almost made some kind of sense until the last line .” Capitalism makes its profits from war , slave prison labor and fictitious capital “ . That comment destroys any argument you have right there .
 

Bar Sinister

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Good article , and almost made some kind of sense until the last line .” Capitalism makes its profits from war , slave prison labor and fictitious capital “ . That comment destroys any argument you have right there .


Well, the article didn't list all the ways capitalism makes money. There is also the sex trade, drugs, stock market manipulation, and so on.
 

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Well, the article didn't list all the ways capitalism makes money. There is also the sex trade, drugs, stock market manipulation, and so on.
Yes such an evil world we live in , maybe if every one read the bible and followed Mosses commandments we could have utopia. .
 

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Hi! Captain Morgan

There are different kinds or types of socialism just as there are with capitalism.

Why do you tend to pick the extremes to badmouth socialism?
 

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Hi! Pgs

Venezuela was doing rather well until America attempted a coup in 2002 and failing that scenario, America has done everything possible to destroy the country. Every American NGO has encouraged and festered civil unrest.

Zimbabwe is still recovering from British Colonialism in the same way that the North American Indian is. Who supplied the armaments to the Zimbabwe government to shoot down protesters as they attempted to remove Mugabe? Who financed Mugabe's rise to power?
 

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Hi! Pgs

Venezuela was doing rather well until America attempted a coup in 2002 and failing that scenario, America has done everything possible to destroy the country. Every American NGO has encouraged and festered civil unrest.

Zimbabwe is still recovering from British Colonialism in the same way that the North American Indian is. Who supplied the armaments to the Zimbabwe government to shoot down protesters as they attempted to remove Mugabe? Who financed Mugabe's rise to power?
O.K. It is all the evil Satan’s fault . Socialism ain’t it grand ? Is it America’s fault the Chavez and Mugabe families have squirrelled their respective countries wealth in Swiss bank accounts ?
 

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Hi! Pgs

Venezuela was doing rather well until America attempted a coup in 2002 and failing that scenario, America has done everything possible to destroy the country. Every American NGO has encouraged and festered civil unrest.

Zimbabwe is still recovering from British Colonialism in the same way that the North American Indian is. Who supplied the armaments to the Zimbabwe government to shoot down protesters as they attempted to remove Mugabe? Who financed Mugabe's rise to power?

Another example of socialism... blame everything but socialism on the failure of socialism.

O.K. It is all the evil Satan’s fault . Socialism ain’t it grand ? Is it America’s fault the Chavez and Mugabe families have squirrelled their respective countries wealth in Swiss bank accounts ?

Have the Chavez's moved out of the Presidential Mansion yet?
 

Bar Sinister

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Yes such an evil world we live in , maybe if every one read the bible and followed Mosses commandments we could have utopia. .


Moses? Did you deliberately pick a poor example?

Perhaps the usual suspects yearn for the utopic societies in Cuba, North Korea or Stalin's Russia.

Wonderful, magical places they are


So what you are saying is that when something else is wrong somewhere; then it justifies evils in our society? A classic non-sequitur.