Deadly Saddam Game

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This is terrible!!


Moroccan boy latest victim of deadly Saddam game
By Tom Pfeiffer

RABAT (Reuters) - A Moroccan man returned home to find his 11-year-old son hanging dead from the ceiling, a newspaper said on Thursday, the latest victim of a macabre game in which children mimic the death of Saddam Hussein.

The boy decided to copy the former Iraq leader's execution while playing with his younger sister at their home in Khemisset, 80 km (50 miles) east of the capital Rabat, newspaper Al Ahdat al-Maghrebia reported.

"The girl then went to school and left her brother playing his deadly game," it said, adding that local officials had opened an enquiry into the death.

Saddam's execution on December 30 came as families gathered for the religious feast of Eid al-Adha and the images of the former Iraqi leader on the gallows shown repeatedly on Arabic news channels spurred indignation among his fellow Sunni Muslims.

Since then, several stories have emerged of children dying or being injured after being captivated by the manner of Saddam's death or by family conversations about the execution.

One 12-year-old Saudi boy died after using a chair and a metal wire to hang himself from a door frame, while another in Algeria was found hanging from a tree, papers reported.

Two boys in different regions of Azerbaijan hanged themselves at the weekend and may have been influenced by Saddam's execution, a security source in the country said.

The death of a 15-year-old boy last week in the Moroccan coastal city of Casablanca was also suspected of being the result of another re-enactment.

The deaths have led many to question the television coverage of the graphic violence in Iraq and the Palestinian territories and the influence on children across the region.

"What have children to do with this kind of thing? They should be playing, painting or reading," said Moroccan sociologist Youssef Sadik.

"It is a characteristic of the Muslim world that we have an over-politicized society. Everyone's into politics, discussing events in Palestine and Iraq and hooked on Al-Jazeera."

The manner of Saddam's execution at the hands of a U.S.-backed government led by Iraq's Shi'ite Arab majority led many people in predominantly Sunni Muslim North Africa to momentarily forget his past record.

Many were impressed by his dignity on the gallows in the face of insults hurled at him in his final moments and some praised him as a hero.

That clearly had a powerful effect on younger minds, said Sadik.

"Children in Morocco are under pressure from an early age to try to be heroes themselves, to be the ones who succeeded where others around them did not," he said.


What i'm not understanding is if Saddam Hussein was such a monster then why are so many people mourning him?
This whole scenario is just bizarre.
 

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What i'm not understanding is if Saddam Hussein was such a monster then why are so many people mourning him?
This whole scenario is just bizarre.


Beats me. I do know he had allot of supporters in the Middle East though. A cab driver I know originally from Iraq recently told me that Saddam was a "great man" and a "strong" leader.
 

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I've seen him on a TV with the noose around his neck. the next part of the shot was not shown but i'm sure the cameras rolled, and there are other tv stations than the ones we get. i guarantee it go onto some of them
 

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I think this bring up an interesting point.

I think it was Sanctus who brought up the topic of seeing violent and graffic images as entertainment and how it's affecting our youth. If this doesn't drive the point home then i don't know what does!
 

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Was it televised?
Or just on the news?

If I'm not mistaken you can watch executions in the States on TV, but that might be just hearsay?!

Yeah, that would be hearsay. Anyone claiming to have seen a state sanctioned execution (on TV)in the U.S. is a bald faced liar
 
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I think this bring up an interesting point.

I think it was Sanctus who brought up the topic of seeing violent and graffic images as entertainment and how it's affecting our youth. If this doesn't drive the point home then i don't know what does!


For people in my age group, 40's-50's, this can easily be seen by remembering the world before. The world when the number one tv shows were such as "Bewitched"; "Beverly Hillbillies"; "The Monkees", etc.etc. Movies did not show open sexuality.Even Bond movies were tame compared to even teen movies now. You never, but never heard a profanity anywhere in the media, not on late night talk shows, not on news programs, certainly not on the radio.There were standards and they were strictly followed.It wasn't perfect, not at all. However, such a climate, combined with the strong moral teacings found in the Church, reinforced a different set of acceptable standards for children. I don't think I ever heard the "F" word until at least 10 or 11 years of age. Maybe I did, but I certainly don't remember it. People were far more courteous to one another as well, as I recall.

We can't go back, but we cannot also be blind to the fact that the media is a powerful socializing agent in North America. You can't reasonably state that exposure to ths type of violence and sexuality on every level of the media, day after day after day until it seems "normal" is not going to influence kids and their attitudes.
 

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people were indeed more courteous, but perhaps less honest, as there were certain subjects which should be discussed, but weren't. certain issues are better in the open, even if it does mean being a little rude.

there is a line however, and it is repeatedly crossed
 

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people were indeed more courteous, but perhaps less honest, as there were certain subjects which should be discussed, but weren't. certain issues are better in the open, even if it does mean being a little rude.

there is a line however, and it is repeatedly crossed


You're right. That was both the best and the worst of those times. Best because we didn't have to hear every little nasty thought or expression people had, and worst because so much was hidden away and repressed. Things "nice people" didn't talk about. I vividly remember that people kept their problems behind their doors, and such an attitude hid a great deal of evil being done behind those doors.

Maybe, as a society, we need a balance bewteen what we have now and what we were at that time?
 

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You're right. That was both the best and the worst of those times. Best because we didn't have to hear every little nasty thought or expression people had, and worst because so much was hidden away and repressed. Things "nice people" didn't talk about. I vividly remember that people kept their problems behind their doors, and such an attitude hid a great deal of evil being done behind those doors.

Maybe, as a society, we need a balance bewteen what we have now and what we were at that time?


Ah yes, my age group. I think the children from the 1960's were the last innocent generation, before the excess of the 1970's and what has come since.

I remember we didn't wear pants or jeans to grade school ever, at least in Ontario. Even shopping downtown(no malls) meant we dressed nice. There was a comfort in that sort of world.

But you know, so much was also not spoken about that maybe should've been. Child abuse, adultery, rapes,etc. I well remember coming into my teens and being told by our Health Education Teacher that "nice girls never have intercourse". Even in the midst of the social and political upheavals of those times, kids were still being fed the same old message about how to be.
 

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I think this bring up an interesting point.

I think it was Sanctus who brought up the topic of seeing violent and graffic images as entertainment and how it's affecting our youth. If this doesn't drive the point home then i don't know what does!

If you hide the real world from children how will it ever change? Think of the reality that has been hidden from my generation and try to understand why the truth is so important even and possibly more importantly when it's ugly. I grew up in the sixtys and seventys and everyday I'm informed about some misinformation of that period. I don't want children bathed in violence anymore than the next person but in thier developement there is no more important ingrediant than the truth.
Furthur to the lies I was fed in school and through the media of my youth those lies are directly responsible for the state of the world today. What we think of as insulation and protection for our young will not serve them in thier lives, there is no substitute for the truth which is frequently ugly.
We have starved and butchered millions every year of my life and despite the mouthed goodwill of the western world it continues unabated .
Fact is violence and death are entertainment and have been for a very long time. Check out pro wrestling, would you want your child to act like them?So why are they still on TV? It's because death and violence sell. Free capital promotes death and violence, always has always will.:wave:
 

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We can't go back, but we cannot also be blind to the fact that the media is a powerful socializing agent in North America. You can't reasonably state that exposure to ths type of violence and sexuality on every level of the media, day after day after day until it seems "normal" is not going to influence kids and their attitudes.

That's right! One cannot be exposed to the types of violence and extrememe behaviour that is so much a part of normal television these days and be immune from any influence. That is not to say necessarily an increase in violent behaviour, but perhaps more an acceptance of it, especially as "entertainment". Any of you have boys? Have you seen some of the playstation games they enjoy?!!