We already have several holidays to celebrate nationalism, Lady C. My hope, and I know that I mentioned this in the thread, is that this would also become an international holiday, at least in Commonwealth countries.
Darwin Day
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Point taken.Vanni Fucci said:
However, I stand behind my statement. Any new holidays in Canada should reflect Canada. Darwin, while an accomplished scientist, has absolutely no connection to this country.
You wanted a holiday to celebrate science, Rev. Why not choose a Canadian one? As I said, we have plenty to choose from.
We already have holidays celebrating nationalism. We have none celebrating science. Darwin's theory changed things, including in Canada.
And if Columbus didn't set out to prove the world was round, Darwin would never have made it to the Galapagos Islands to come up with his theory.
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Columbus never set out to prove any such thing...his motivation was colonialism and greed...and he set out to find a trade route to the Orient...and to spread syphilis to the natives or North America...Europeans already knew at that time that the world was round...
LadyC said:
Columbus never set out to prove any such thing...his motivation was colonialism and greed...and he set out to find a trade route to the Orient...and to spread syphilis to the natives or North America...Europeans already knew at that time that the world was round...
True Vanni, the history books paint a very different picture of what actually went on. I became a genealogy nut 
dusty archives, reading mirco fiche....you get a real picture of just exactly went on. You get side tracked into history.
dusty archives, reading mirco fiche....you get a real picture of just exactly went on. You get side tracked into history.Besides, if we're going to go back like that we'd have to figure out who the first person to use a tool of any sort was, then find out when his birthday was. It isn't very practical to do that since we don't have time machines. Far better to just celebrate Darwin's birthday.
Well speaking of science...listen to this...I just found out that one of my brothers, who is building a house..this is important...
Well when the site was being excuvated for the foundation...guess what was found....this is exciting....ready....
2 DINOSAUR EGGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not kidding!!! I just found out!!!!!! now science desends upon my brothers land I am sure it will be in the paper and I can link it up here.. I do not know what kind or what...more info to follow..
Well when the site was being excuvated for the foundation...guess what was found....this is exciting....ready....
2 DINOSAUR EGGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not kidding!!! I just found out!!!!!! now science desends upon my brothers land
I am sure it will be in the paper and I can link it up here.. I do not know what kind or what...more info to follow..
my sweet RB
i am starting to believe that you think i am a dodo bird that is in need of educating.
i can only hope that i am ever so wrong in this assumption.
i think i stated in my last thread that while i did not believe that darwin was the main man, it was apparent that you did and let's leave it at that and every one goes home and plays hokie pokie.
but you had to go and say that cutures for making meds were based on evolutionary theory, which makes me wonder what the heck you're thinking.
people were playing with microscopes, etc and knew their were little wee things long before anyone came along and started talking about sparrows with long thin beaks in the galapigo islands
and as for someone changing our basic assumptions of life, i believe that most of the men i mentioned did that as well, so you see, now you're making me repeat myself, so it must be a trend in here
what i believe is that you think darwin is the main man, and i am happy that you think that, but what i said right in the beginning, is that i don't.
i think that your main agenda seems to be to thumb your nose at all christians and their beliefs and that darwin best represents the way to do that.
and i've changed my mind, i don't think their should be a scientist day.
i've decided that in these times of war and chaos, that we are all better served by remembering our humanity and our better natures. something that science, while necessary and important, doesn't neccessarily do.
so, in those lines, let's skip darwin day and make a national holiday called love, peace and happiness day.
i am starting to believe that you think i am a dodo bird that is in need of educating.
i can only hope that i am ever so wrong in this assumption.
i think i stated in my last thread that while i did not believe that darwin was the main man, it was apparent that you did and let's leave it at that and every one goes home and plays hokie pokie.
but you had to go and say that cutures for making meds were based on evolutionary theory, which makes me wonder what the heck you're thinking.
people were playing with microscopes, etc and knew their were little wee things long before anyone came along and started talking about sparrows with long thin beaks in the galapigo islands
and as for someone changing our basic assumptions of life, i believe that most of the men i mentioned did that as well, so you see, now you're making me repeat myself, so it must be a trend in here
what i believe is that you think darwin is the main man, and i am happy that you think that, but what i said right in the beginning, is that i don't.
i think that your main agenda seems to be to thumb your nose at all christians and their beliefs and that darwin best represents the way to do that.
and i've changed my mind, i don't think their should be a scientist day.
i've decided that in these times of war and chaos, that we are all better served by remembering our humanity and our better natures. something that science, while necessary and important, doesn't neccessarily do.
so, in those lines, let's skip darwin day and make a national holiday called love, peace and happiness day.
Knowing that something is there and understanding how to control it and make it useful are two very different things, MerryClaire.
The men you've met that have changed things for you have not done the same for a whole society. It is doubtful that they even did it for whatever their area of specialization...few people do.
I'm not terribly concerned whether you agree with idea of a Darwin Day or not, but since you are not the only one here I thought I should answer the concerns raised, no matter who raised them or why. You can continue to partake in the conversation or not, but don't expect me to stop just because it makes you uncomfortable.
Your assumptions about my motives are far off base and have the ring of an excuse about them. I say that because I have consistently and repeatedly given reasons for why we should have Darwin Day. Among those reasons is the promotion of science over superstition, but it is not, as you insist, just to thumb my nose at religion.
So you can agree to disagree MerryClaire. I'll continue to promote Darwin Day.
The men you've met that have changed things for you have not done the same for a whole society. It is doubtful that they even did it for whatever their area of specialization...few people do.
I'm not terribly concerned whether you agree with idea of a Darwin Day or not, but since you are not the only one here I thought I should answer the concerns raised, no matter who raised them or why. You can continue to partake in the conversation or not, but don't expect me to stop just because it makes you uncomfortable.
Your assumptions about my motives are far off base and have the ring of an excuse about them. I say that because I have consistently and repeatedly given reasons for why we should have Darwin Day. Among those reasons is the promotion of science over superstition, but it is not, as you insist, just to thumb my nose at religion.
So you can agree to disagree MerryClaire. I'll continue to promote Darwin Day.
The men you've met that have changed things for you have not done the same for a whole society. It is doubtful that they even did it for whatever their area of specialization...few people do.
....i said the men i have mentioned in the previous threads....descartes, mendehl, etc etc....and everyone i stated has vastly pushed the boundaries of their societies and belief systems of their relevant times...all of them were ground breakers that have paved the way for our thinking today
unfortunately the men i've met in this lifetime, have done little to change things for me, let alone society *sigh*
darwin did not know how to control and make useful little wee beasties because he developed the theory of evolution.
trust me the conversation does not make me feel uncomfortable, but thank you for the concern
no ring of excuse to my theory on your motives. just the feeling i gathered from the various threads i have seen you post. you seem to not enjoy religion very much and seem happy to try to disparage it. maybe i am wrong.
science is good, so is religion.
science is bad, so is religion.
it is the people behind the religion and science who make it good or bad.
i don't believe religion is superstition.
i do believe that if all we are left with is science and no religion, the world will be a soulless place. there will be soulless people in charge of science, making godlike decisions.
how scary is that?
and RB, i like science, i'm not scared of science. i'm scared of soulless people.
....i said the men i have mentioned in the previous threads....descartes, mendehl, etc etc....and everyone i stated has vastly pushed the boundaries of their societies and belief systems of their relevant times...all of them were ground breakers that have paved the way for our thinking today
unfortunately the men i've met in this lifetime, have done little to change things for me, let alone society *sigh*
darwin did not know how to control and make useful little wee beasties because he developed the theory of evolution.
trust me the conversation does not make me feel uncomfortable, but thank you for the concern
no ring of excuse to my theory on your motives. just the feeling i gathered from the various threads i have seen you post. you seem to not enjoy religion very much and seem happy to try to disparage it. maybe i am wrong.
science is good, so is religion.
science is bad, so is religion.
it is the people behind the religion and science who make it good or bad.
i don't believe religion is superstition.
i do believe that if all we are left with is science and no religion, the world will be a soulless place. there will be soulless people in charge of science, making godlike decisions.
how scary is that?
and RB, i like science, i'm not scared of science. i'm scared of soulless people.
No problem with having a new holiday in February,I just think that it should be named after a Canadian ,or something Canadian[preferably something to do with the season.]
There's nothing soulless about science, MerryClaire.
I enjoy religion immensely. Any discussion of the human condition and/or philosophy without religion would be terribly incomplete. It should not be taught as science though, because it is not science. More than that, I think it is time that we strongly affirmed that our decisions as society are based in fact.
Have I suggested that? No, I have not. I've not said that we need to get rid of the religious holidays that we celebrate. I've not said that we should enforce atheism by law or promote it any more than any other belief system.
What I have sugggested is that we give science a day of its own as a way of acknowledging its importance in our society and affirming our dedication to fact-based decision making. Because of the impact that Darwin had on the world, and because of when his birthday is, and because we need a long weekend in February, I suggest that we use his birthday as that day.
I never said that Darwin knew how to do that, I said that his theory affected the way it was done and allowed it to be done efficiently and in a controlled manner. Darwin's theory did, in fact, affect micro-biology. That's where those little beasties get studied and developed, MerryClaire.
I enjoy religion immensely. Any discussion of the human condition and/or philosophy without religion would be terribly incomplete. It should not be taught as science though, because it is not science. More than that, I think it is time that we strongly affirmed that our decisions as society are based in fact.
Have I suggested that? No, I have not. I've not said that we need to get rid of the religious holidays that we celebrate. I've not said that we should enforce atheism by law or promote it any more than any other belief system.
What I have sugggested is that we give science a day of its own as a way of acknowledging its importance in our society and affirming our dedication to fact-based decision making. Because of the impact that Darwin had on the world, and because of when his birthday is, and because we need a long weekend in February, I suggest that we use his birthday as that day.
I'm a big fan of Marshall J. Gauvin, a great Canadian freethinker...here's a transcript of a speech he delivered in Minneapolis in 1921...
Heart of the Bible
...in it he touches upon the discussion of evolution vs. creation, and in my opinion, and with the facts that he there presented, there leaves little room for debate...
...I think Gauvin would have supported your motion Rev, were he still with us today...and if you're interested, I understand that all of his original works were deeded to the University of Manitoba...might be worth checking out...
Heart of the Bible
...in it he touches upon the discussion of evolution vs. creation, and in my opinion, and with the facts that he there presented, there leaves little room for debate...
...I think Gauvin would have supported your motion Rev, were he still with us today...and if you're interested, I understand that all of his original works were deeded to the University of Manitoba...might be worth checking out...
You could even have great writers day....like say CS Lewis...a religious man...only offering his own spiritual journey, not trying to shove it down my throat I could appreciate that, and he wrote some great books...like coronicles of Naria..We never had X boxes, just books and the great outdoors.
I could appreciate that, and he wrote some great books...like coronicles of Naria..We never had X boxes, just books and the great outdoors.