Da Vinci - are humanity's foundations shaking?

Karlin

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The hollywood offering for religious division this month is...
Da Vinci Code!!

Following a torrent of religious divisioning movies , Da Vinci is released. It is hailed as "shaking the foundations of mankind".

What hooey - I think it is just basic Hollywood promo.

If Christ had a kid with MMag, and the line survives even now, all it means is that Jesus wasn't anything other than a regular human. Same genes as the rest of us, reproduces just like the rest of us. Thats what I've believed for decades now, without being smoten by an angry god even once!

In fact, we don't really know if Jesus himself ever suggested he was "essentially different" from other men, as in the ONLY son of god" Jesus was a regular man, other than having a talent for persuading others to be good people. He said he was the son of god, but did not deny that "so are the rest of us".

So this movie only shakes the foundations of Catholics. And maybe a few other religions. They needed Jesus to be iconic,the only son of god, special, not regular. Otherwise their magical world would not seem so magical, and life is just regular humans trying to survive, and doing it by themselves just fine thank you god we don't need you. That would not get many converts or scare anyone enough to join up.

So this movie is not shaking the foundations of humanity, a humanity that cannot even agree on one god, which sort of indicates that NONE of the religions got it right, and that therefore , all gods are most likely figments of imaginations.

Civilisations with no belief in god did not perish, so it is not an essential belief.

The movie would not hold much interest if Jesus were assumed to be a regular man. And not much interest to anyone other than Catholics and other religions who believe in Jesus as the only son of god, but they are mostly saying "don't go see it". Oddly, it will get the highest attendance of any movie this weekend.
 

Jay

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The book was a good quick read for pop fiction.
 

mabudon

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RE: Da Vinci - are humani

MAN, in both politics and now, somehow, FILM, wedge issues sure do sell. I have a feeling that the film is a steaming TURD and that the only thing getting shaken are moviegoers, shaken down to the tune of 12 bucks a head (and that's without the popcorn and the smuggled flask you'll no doubt need to "enjoy" it at all)
 

Jay

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Everyone is making "Da Vinci Code" money now....
 

Jay

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The book was great though...I recomend reading it.
 

missile

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If it is a total failure,it will definitely hurt Tom Hanks and Ron howards careers[not that I care!] I expect to see this on sale at the usual outlets in a few months, along with MI3 and Poseidon.
 

Vereya

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I saw the movie yesterday, and I really liked it, in fact. I read the book, too, about a year ago, and as far as I remember they haven't messed the book up. I think it is a really good movie.
And as for shaking the foundations of humanity - well, it is rather shaking the foundations of christian religion, and one back and one movie is not enough to do it. The idea the Jesus was a human being, is not too shoking for an individual, but if it becomes the widespread conviction... Just think of it - all the wars, and killings and bloodshed in the name of god Jesus Christ turn out to be wars and killings in the name of a man the official church wanted everyone to believe to be god. But if he was not, if he was just human, like you, or me or someone else? Just a Jewish man, killed by his own people about two thousand years ago, nothing divine about him? Where does it leave the church? It makes the church the biggest lie ever. That is why they are making so much noise right now.
 

fuzzylogix

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The Da Vinci code was so badly written I would have given up after the first page if I hadnt wanted to see what all the hype was about. Lots of people are writing about this topic now. Another book "The Secret Supper" approaches it from the time of Da Vinci and is far better written. It is interesting about all the secret symbols used in the art of the time as a form of propaganda for the masses who couldnt read. I think it is an interesting idea that the progeny of Jesus could be walking around today.
 

Johnny Utah

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This is the same kind of uproar that was created over The Passion of The Christ. The only thing that will happen is more people will want to see it because of the uproar..
 

Judland

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My only comment about this topic is: if all it takes to "shake the foundations of humanity" and cause an uproar in the Christian faith is a simple movie like this... then those people being shaken and all in an uproar certainly can't have much faith in their beliefs.

I believe in what I believe for good reasons. A movie like this is certainly not a threat to those beliefs. If anything it just makes for good story telling... which is basically the whole point, isn't it?

To the people who are getting their nickers in a twist over this, I say "grow up" and get a back-bone for cripes sakes.
 

Karlin

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Vereya said:
And as for shaking the foundations of humanity - well, it is rather shaking the foundations of christian religion

Just think of it - all the wars, and killings and bloodshed in the name of god Jesus Christ turn out to be wars and killings in the name of a man the official church wanted everyone to believe to be god.

Where does it leave the church? It makes the church the biggest lie ever. That is why they are making so much noise right now.

K - Vereya, thank you for responding to the meat of the thread - shaking foundations.
What you said makes so much sense.

Outrage at the basis of a lie being exposed, egos based on religious authority are crushed , and foundations of 'personal and church theology' ripped out from under millions of people
"all the killings"


Judland also has an interesting comment:
My only comment about this topic is: if all it takes to "shake the foundations of humanity" and cause an uproar in the Christian faith is a simple movie like this... then those people being shaken and all in an uproar certainly can't have much faith in their beliefs.

But thats just it - they are possibly seeing that their faith is based on a lie. It doesn't really matter if it takes one word or "50 books and a 1000 Popes" to tell it, to make the truth clear - once it is understood that Jesus was mortal, then their doctrine - what their church believes - is wrong in fact and so would be wrong to continue to be an authority on these issues.

But now I remember my confusion, before Vereya cleared it up, is that SO WHAT if Jesus was mortal? Does that make Catholics or other religions beliefs invalid? Can't JC still be worthy of being a good teacher?
Or is it that Jesus teachings may have been skewed to be more in line with what political will of the day is?

In any case, I think this is the most interesting and vital to our times discussion. If only we can get religious people to stop having so much faith based on lies to stop fighting wars with other religions, there just might be no more wars. {for eg., I believe the present wars would not have started without religion's involvment, on both sides.

K
 

miraclearun

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Karlin said:
The hollywood offering for religious division this month is...
Da Vinci Code!!
hoooooooooooooo
Following a torrent of religious divisioning movies , Da Vinci is released. It is hailed as "shaking the foundations of mankind".

What hooey - I think it is just basic Hollywood promo.

If Christ had a kid with MMag, and the line survives even now, all it means is that Jesus wasn't anything other than a regular human. Same genes as the rest of us, reproduces just like the rest of us. Thats what I've believed for decades now, without being smoten by an angry god even once!

In fact, we don't really know if Jesus himself ever suggested he was "essentially different" from other men, as in the ONLY son of god" Jesus was a regular man, other than having a talent for persuading others to be good people. He said he was the son of god, but did not deny that "so are the rest of us".

So this movie only shakes the foundations of Catholics. And maybe a few other religions. They needed Jesus to be iconic,the only son of god, special, not regular. Otherwise their magical world would not seem so magical, and life is just regular humans trying to survive, and doing it by themselves just fine thank you god we don't need you. That would not get many converts or scare anyone enough to join up.

So this movie is not shaking the foundations of humanity, a humanity that cannot even agree on one god, which sort of indicates that NONE of the religions got it right, and that therefore , all gods are most likely figments of imaginations.

Civilisations with no belief in god did not perish, so it is not an essential belief.

The movie would not hold much interest if Jesus were assumed to be a regular man. And not much interest to anyone other than Catholics and other religions who believe in Jesus as the only son of god, but they are mostly saying "don't go see it". Oddly, it will get the highest attendance of any movie this weekend.
 

missile

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The grosses were high for it this weekend. But, can the momentum be sustained? If the film has high grosses for the next two weeks-then it will be a blockbuster. Having a number of chuches condemn the movie didn't hurt one bit :)