Cross-border shopping ‘drain’ on economy

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Cross-border shopping ‘drain’ on economy
Duty-free hikes will make matters worse, bank report says

OTTAWA — Cross-border shopping is costing the Canadian economy much more than believed and new rules raising duty-free limits will only make matters worse, says a new report by the Bank of Montreal.

The assessment of costs comes from the bank’s deputy chief economist, Doug Porter, in his latest price gap comparison between consumer goods in Canada and the United States.

Porter said Thursday that although the price gap has narrowed to 14 per cent on average from the 20 per cent he found in last spring’s survey, the cross-border shopping phenomenon appears to be intensifying.

He believes as much as 10 per cent of the portion of the value of Canadian retail sales that can be transported — items such as clothes, tires, appliances, sporting goods and electronics — is being lost to U.S. stores.

That is more than double official estimates, but Porter said many Canadians under-report or don’t report what they bring back.

“Even at a conservative estimate of five per cent, we are talking over $20 billion a year,” he said.

“If correct, that represents a real drain on domestic retail sales, employment and government revenues — a drain that looks (likely) to deepen.”

Porter said he believes the problem will get worse starting next month when new, higher duty-free thresholds for bringing back goods across the border go into effect.

Under changes announced in March’s budget, the duty-free threshold on stays longer than 24 hours rises to $200 from $50, while the limit on stays longer than 48 hours rises to $800 from the current two-tiered levels of $400 and $750, depending on the length of stay.

“A culmination of factors is likely to unleash a wave of Canadians cross-border shopping this summer in numbers not seen in two decades,” Porter said.

A spokesman for Finance Minister Jim Flaherty pointed out that the duty-free limits had not been adjusted for inflation for decades and that the changes would ease congestion at borders and allow agents to focus on security issues. The office added that the new limits match those applied to U.S. travellers returning from Canada.

A spokesperson for the Retail Council of Canada said the association has no independent data on how much is being lost to cross-border shopping, but said the problem is significant.

“It’s difficult to estimate how much cross-border shopping is done, but in talking to retailers generally we don’t think Mr. Porter is that far from the truth,” said Diane Brisebois, head of the council.

“It is a bigger problem … and this is going to continue to be challenging if the government doesn’t address the problem of import duties and if it doesn’t at least point out some of the multinational suppliers who are charging Canadian retailers much higher prices versus U.S. retailers.”


In testimony to the Senate national finance committee last month, Brisebois blamed multinational distributors for much of price gap, saying the practice of “country pricing” discriminates against Canadian retailers.

She presented the committee with her own list showing that Canadian retailers often pay more to be able to carry name brands, in some cases as much as 30 and 40 per cent more than retailers in the U.S.

Other factors that have been cited for the gap include federal duties, less competition in Canada and higher transportation costs.

The Senate committee is expected to report later this year on the causes of the persistent price gap between the two countries, despite near parity in the value of the U.S. and Canadian dollars in most years since 2007.

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So what? Canadian retailers have only themselves to blame for ripping off Canadian consumers for years. Now they are upset that people have an alternative and ability to say 'scew you' to them. Want to compete? Compete. Stop whining.
 

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So what? Canadian retailers have only themselves to blame for ripping off Canadian consumers for years. Now they are upset that people have an alternative and ability to say 'scew you' to them. Want to compete? Compete. Stop whining.

You have to question whether or not the profit margin is really that lucrative for them though, considering the higher cost they have to endure. This could be the decision between charging higher prices in Canada or completely moving your business to the U.S. This might be the final kick in the can that gets them to do that.

At 30-40% more than their U.S. counterparts, they have little incentive to remain here, especially now that the CPC are making it easier for people to shop south.
 

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doesn't it cost more to ship American stuff to canada?
 

B00Mer

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duties.. oh no we have Free Trade, NAFTA.. not suppose to cost more..

Canadian stores are greedy.. they mark up prices unfairly..

Now I am torn on this issue.. for one I thing the Patriotic thing is to buy "Canadian Made" goods over foreign made.. but when I decide to buy a Sony TV.. hello Bellingham, WA..

I gave IdRatherBeSkiing a thumbs up.. he hit the nail on the head..

Cross border shopping LOL

Just found this cute cartoon...

 

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duties.. oh no we have Free Trade, NAFTA.. not suppose to cost more..

It's only things made in North America that can come in duty free, that's why you still have to pay duty on some items. And that's why you can import a car from the US duty free if it's made in North America, but not if it's made in Japan.

It doesn't matter where you BUY it, it matters where it was MADE.
 

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I think TenPenny just answered the question I was going to ask.

So it is ok for Canadians to shop for cars and big ticket items like washing machines, TVs, etc and not be hit with a tax?
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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You have to question whether or not the profit margin is really that lucrative for them though, considering the higher cost they have to endure. This could be the decision between charging higher prices in Canada or completely moving your business to the U.S. This might be the final kick in the can that gets them to do that.

At 30-40% more than their U.S. counterparts, they have little incentive to remain here, especially now that the CPC are making it easier for people to shop south.

I remember the retailers saying things were expensive several years ago because the dollar was only worth 65 cents compared to the US ones. Well the dollar has gained 35 cents in value since then, even more on occasion and prices here have not come down. One can only assume whatever savings were funneled into corporate profits or what have you. So now some of those profits are going missing, so they are complaining and asking for government help? Its that type of horsecrap that gets people pissed off and is the theoretical #1 gripe of the occupy movement.
 

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:roll:.............Oh, my, look at that mountain where the molehill used to be.................

We live close to the border. People have been crossbordering since Christ wore knee-highs. Yanks used to come here and BUY COTTAGES when their dollar was high relative to ours.

We hated them.

Except the real estate folks. They loved em.

Then, their dollar dropped many years ago......................Most sold their cottages and left............We whined cause we lost their tourist dollars...............Except the real estate folks............buy, sell, they did ok.

Why don't we hate them instead.

Now our dollars are bout even, and we still go over cause their PRICES are lower. What part of this don't our politicos and captains of industry understand.

Keeps our minds off the F35's.

It's all good.

Gotta get me that passport.