CRIMINALIZE War !!
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Re: RE: CRIMINALIZE War !!
For Pete's sake kid, I realize people believe what they want to believe but sometimes you have to sit back and absorb all the information. We don't need to "steal" your water, turn off the leftist propaganda machine and turn on actual data.
Congress called for an assessment of the Nation's renewable resources in 1974, because they believed reliable information was necessary to properly manage those resources and make informed policy decisions. The need for reliable information on the status and trends of the Nation's resources continues today. However, the emphasis has broadened from a solely economic concern with supply and demand to concern about resource conditions, ecosystem health, and sustainability.
The Forest and Rangeland Renewable Resources Planning Act of 1974 (RPA) requires the Secretary of Agriculture to conduct an assessment of the Nation's renewable resources every 10 years.
Brown, Thomas C. 1999. Past and future freshwater use in the United States: A technical document supporting the 2000 USDA Forest Service RPA Assessment. Gen. Tech. Rep. RMRS-GTR-39. Fort Collins, CO: U.S. Department of Agriculture, Forest Service, Rocky Mountain Research Station, 47 p.
Water use in the United States to the year 2040 is estimated by extending past trends in basic water-use determinants. Those trends are largely encouraging. Over the past 35 years, withdrawals in industry and at thermoelectric plants have steadily dropped per unit of output, and over the past 15 years some irrigated regions have also increased the efficiency of their water use. Further, per-capita domestic withdrawals may have finally peaked. If these trends continue, aggregate withdrawals in the U.S. over the next 40 years will stay below 10% of the 1995 level, despite a 41% expected increase in population. However, not all areas of the U.S. are projected to fare as well. Of the 20 water resource regions in the U.S., withdrawals in seven are projected to increase by from 15% to 30% above 1995 levels. Most of the substantial increases are attributable to domestic and public or thermoelectric use, although the large increases in 3 regions are mainly due to growth in irrigated acreage. The most important and uncertain assumptions necessary to make these projections are those about future irrigated acreage. If irrigated acreage fails to drop in most Western basins, as assumed, withdrawals may be substantially above these projections.
This report does not include the desalination capacity of the US, which is second only to Saudi Arabia, of approximately 3 million cubic meters per day.
You can download the complete RPA report from this link - I think I'll go have a drink now
the caracal kid said:
For Pete's sake kid, I realize people believe what they want to believe but sometimes you have to sit back and absorb all the information. We don't need to "steal" your water, turn off the leftist propaganda machine and turn on actual data.
Congress called for an assessment of the Nation's renewable resources in 1974, because they believed reliable information was necessary to properly manage those resources and make informed policy decisions. The need for reliable information on the status and trends of the Nation's resources continues today. However, the emphasis has broadened from a solely economic concern with supply and demand to concern about resource conditions, ecosystem health, and sustainability.
The Forest and Rangeland Renewable Resources Planning Act of 1974 (RPA) requires the Secretary of Agriculture to conduct an assessment of the Nation's renewable resources every 10 years.
Brown, Thomas C. 1999. Past and future freshwater use in the United States: A technical document supporting the 2000 USDA Forest Service RPA Assessment. Gen. Tech. Rep. RMRS-GTR-39. Fort Collins, CO: U.S. Department of Agriculture, Forest Service, Rocky Mountain Research Station, 47 p.
Water use in the United States to the year 2040 is estimated by extending past trends in basic water-use determinants. Those trends are largely encouraging. Over the past 35 years, withdrawals in industry and at thermoelectric plants have steadily dropped per unit of output, and over the past 15 years some irrigated regions have also increased the efficiency of their water use. Further, per-capita domestic withdrawals may have finally peaked. If these trends continue, aggregate withdrawals in the U.S. over the next 40 years will stay below 10% of the 1995 level, despite a 41% expected increase in population. However, not all areas of the U.S. are projected to fare as well. Of the 20 water resource regions in the U.S., withdrawals in seven are projected to increase by from 15% to 30% above 1995 levels. Most of the substantial increases are attributable to domestic and public or thermoelectric use, although the large increases in 3 regions are mainly due to growth in irrigated acreage. The most important and uncertain assumptions necessary to make these projections are those about future irrigated acreage. If irrigated acreage fails to drop in most Western basins, as assumed, withdrawals may be substantially above these projections.
This report does not include the desalination capacity of the US, which is second only to Saudi Arabia, of approximately 3 million cubic meters per day.
You can download the complete RPA report from this link - I think I'll go have a drink now
yes, look at ALL the information.
besides, i did not say you wish to steal the water. i am not paranoid. i am merely pointing out the trends in water usage and availability.
It would be far easier to import water from canada than the desalinate water, or to clean up polluted water sources.
So yes, please examine ALL the sources.
besides, i did not say you wish to steal the water. i am not paranoid. i am merely pointing out the trends in water usage and availability.
It would be far easier to import water from canada than the desalinate water, or to clean up polluted water sources.
So yes, please examine ALL the sources.
Re: RE: CRIMINALIZE War !!
And I just showed you those trends in water usage and availability you claim are wrong. It would far easier to shift water from our water rich regions to our poorer regions than to import water from Canada. I don't need any other source, please find a source that contradicts what I posted OR you can continue believing your opinion is fact. Your choice.
the caracal kid said:
And I just showed you those trends in water usage and availability you claim are wrong. It would far easier to shift water from our water rich regions to our poorer regions than to import water from Canada. I don't need any other source, please find a source that contradicts what I posted OR you can continue believing your opinion is fact. Your choice.
you are failing to account for other factors such as continied urbanization, global warming, pollution, etc.
It is a rather complicated issues with global variables.
It is a rather complicated issues with global variables.
I didn't write the dam report, show me a report then that takes all these variables under consideration and comes up with a water shortage :roll:
I think not said:
I don't think it's an actual shortage -per say. The problems will lie in availability and accessibility as urban sprawl continues.
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/aug2002/2002-08-28-06.asp
here is an article on the effects of sprawl.
http://www.cec.org/news/details/index.cfm?varlan=english&ID=2343
here is an article demonstrating the effects of water as a commodity.
you have to remember that the US supports water as a commodity, and as demographics show people moving more and more to locations without enough water to support them, water will have to be pumped in (and by private sources with increased commoditization). Further, commoditization leads to selling to the highest bidder, increasing the strain on the american population. When regions have to look for the cheapest water supply, i assure you they will be taking advantage of free trade to source their water if it is more economically viable.
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16292/newsDate/6-Jun-2002/story.htm
Global warming to hit California water supply - study
now do you remember what happened with commoditization of electricity? cali needed it bad, bought from the cheapest supplier in canada, and then didn't pay the bill. The point being america would very much like to have one more supplier available to them, and that is why i say america is interested in canadian water.
here is an article on the effects of sprawl.
http://www.cec.org/news/details/index.cfm?varlan=english&ID=2343
here is an article demonstrating the effects of water as a commodity.
you have to remember that the US supports water as a commodity, and as demographics show people moving more and more to locations without enough water to support them, water will have to be pumped in (and by private sources with increased commoditization). Further, commoditization leads to selling to the highest bidder, increasing the strain on the american population. When regions have to look for the cheapest water supply, i assure you they will be taking advantage of free trade to source their water if it is more economically viable.
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16292/newsDate/6-Jun-2002/story.htm
Global warming to hit California water supply - study
now do you remember what happened with commoditization of electricity? cali needed it bad, bought from the cheapest supplier in canada, and then didn't pay the bill. The point being america would very much like to have one more supplier available to them, and that is why i say america is interested in canadian water.
Imperceptibly perhaps "caracal kid" has backed away from
saying America has motive to INVADE to America is
INTERESTED.
This board is evidence how little Canadians
and Americans know each other.
Both sides of the border are very guilty of
presumption about the other.
ITN's challenge on the issue of Water pushed this
point.
But back to a question posed earlier and was never
understood or answered:
Has any democracy ever attacked another democracy
in world history ?
I have seen no evidence of this.
Think about it.
saying America has motive to INVADE to America is
INTERESTED.
This board is evidence how little Canadians
and Americans know each other.
Both sides of the border are very guilty of
presumption about the other.
ITN's challenge on the issue of Water pushed this
point.
But back to a question posed earlier and was never
understood or answered:
Has any democracy ever attacked another democracy
in world history ?
I have seen no evidence of this.
Think about it.
heh heh heh jim.... i did make the wording of my first post on the topic sound a little too sinister. Sorry about that! Maybe i should work for one of the canadian propaganda machines? tee hee.
LOL, oh whimsy of the caracal kid !!!
Now let's get boring...
Still curious if you can prove a time in world history
when one democracy attacked another democracy.
This bodes implications in the future of war.
Now let's get boring...
Still curious if you can prove a time in world history
when one democracy attacked another democracy.
This bodes implications in the future of war.
Re: RE: CRIMINALIZE War !!
then why is YOUR gov't doing its best to destroy it ????
the location of the UN headquarters has nothing to do with how the US REGIME acts towards. it.. Dang......the bushcons have stated that the UN is "irrelevant.".......
..............Earth to..NJ.
Nascar_James said:
then why is YOUR gov't doing its best to destroy it ????
the location of the UN headquarters has nothing to do with how the US REGIME acts towards. it.. Dang......the bushcons have stated that the UN is "irrelevant.".......
..............Earth to..NJ.
Good thread! I've been thinking about it for a couple of days and reading the posts here. I'm not sure it would do any good to criminalize war, it's such a basic human instinct, like procreation. Look at the most popular games and videos sold now, incredible violence against fellow humans is always the most appealing theme; it sells good.
I would like to see a panel in the UN speaking up and warning leaders of aggressive nations that they are slipping over the line of civilized behaviour and will be liable to prosecution as war criminals if they persist. I don't think it would work but we should try it anyhow.
I would like to see a panel in the UN speaking up and warning leaders of aggressive nations that they are slipping over the line of civilized behaviour and will be liable to prosecution as war criminals if they persist. I don't think it would work but we should try it anyhow.