Council of Candians have done their homework!

[cyberclark]

Ouch!

I have to admit I have been tuning Harper out as being manipulative and shudder in my fear that people are actually buying into his program.

Congrats on your catch-up!

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Council of Candians h

Good.

I hope they re-open the charter to include private proprety rights. That would be a big step towards increasing liberty and justice.

interesting view. i disiagree. we should not be enshrining any kind of private property rights in the charter. liberty and justice is not found in private property, but in the reduction of private property.

8O 8O 8O 8O

If government can expropriate your life savings, that ain't liberty and justice.

 

[the caracal kid]

If the government can convince you that you actually own the land in the first place is not justice!

 

[FiveParadox]

Property

Perhaps I am incorrect, but I had always been under the impression that one could have citizens' ownership of land (by "ownership" I mean the rights to develop the land), but that the land itself remained the property of the Crown in right of the Province (or in right of Canada, in the case of the Territories).

One cannot "own" the land itself in Canada, can they?

 

[cyberclark]

Yes you can own as in hold title to your land every where in Canada except the NWT where you can only lease the propety for a maximum of 99 years.

Mineral rights and water rights on that land you own is another thing. Ottawa went to the provinces with a deal to buy up all the mineral rights. The Government of the day in Alberta (Social Credit) said no, kept the property and offered it to the land owners. Then, promply, went and bought up every thing they could putting it into the Crown assett.

Hard to stay ahead, anyplace!

 

[Triple_R]

Re: RE: Council of Candians have done their homework!

If the government can convince you that you actually own the land in the first place is not justice!

Owning land, as in owning the actual ground and dirt and cement, is not necessarily a good thing, no. However, the ownership of houses, and the ability to effectively say "No, I'm not moving" to the government should they ask you to move for some development plan, is essential to liberty and freedom.

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Council of Candians have done their homework!

If the government can convince you that you actually own the land in the first place is not justice!

Ownership is critical in economic growth, and is a foundation for wealth and economic and scientific progress.

 

[I think not]

I would really like to hear why Triple_R and Caracal Kid are of the opinion that land ownership isn't a good thing. Please.

 

[Toro]

RE: Council of Candians h

I've started a new thread on this subject

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=156508#156508

 

[the caracal kid]

I would really like to hear why Triple_R and Caracal Kid are of the opinion that land ownership isn't a good thing. Please.

because you don't own the land. it is an illusion created to offer a stimulus to the individual. the individual will never own the land. they will however be unwittingly enslaved by the notion that they do own the land.

 

[Said1]

I would really like to hear why Triple_R and Caracal Kid are of the opinion that land ownership isn't a good thing. Please.

because you don't own the land. it is an illusion created to offer a stimulus to the individual. the individual will never own the land. they will however be unwittingly enslaved by the notion that they do own the land.

Theoretically, you have a point. But the main point is derived from popular dependance theory which states (in short) that people tend to manage their own resources most effectively.

 

[the caracal kid]

which is why people are lulled into believing they own then land when they do not. it increases productivity, which is essential to capitalism.

 

[I think not]

I would really like to hear why Triple_R and Caracal Kid are of the opinion that land ownership isn't a good thing. Please.

because you don't own the land. it is an illusion created to offer a stimulus to the individual. the individual will never own the land. they will however be unwittingly enslaved by the notion that they do own the land.

How does this theory of yours equate to land ownership not being a good thing?

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Council of Candians have done their homework!

which is why people are lulled into believing they own then land when they do not. it increases productivity, which is essential to capitalism.

Not necessarily. Properly managed resources can maintain the scale of production and doesn't always equate increased yeilds.

People who own their production land are also freer to diversify.

 

[the caracal kid]

just exactly what i stated. you don't own the land. "land ownership" is a decption played upon the unwitting individual to further enslave him.

The only way it is good is if you endorse the en-mass manipulation of the individual.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Council of Candians have done their homework!

just exactly what i stated. you don't own the land. "land ownership" is a decption played upon the unwitting individual to further enslave him.

The only way it is good is if you endorse the en-mass manipulation of the individual.

So you'd prefer to see a transient, hunter/gather type of society or at the very least sustinence farming?

 

[the caracal kid]

i would like to see a society that has progressed beyond where it is now. A society that no longer cherishes material wealth, a society where people have a more evolved sensibility and the primary driving force is the betterment of oneself and the world. A society who's economy is driven by services and not goods.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Council of Candians have done their homework!

just exactly what i stated. you don't own the land. "land ownership" is a decption played upon the unwitting individual to further enslave him.

The only way it is good is if you endorse the en-mass manipulation of the individual.

Land ownership is a deception? You will have to elaborate please, the 5th Amendment in the US says your mistaken.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Council of Candians have done their homework!

i would like to see a society that has progressed beyond where it is now. A society that no longer cherishes material wealth, a society where people have a more evolved sensibility and the primary driving force is the betterment of oneself and the world. A society who's economy is driven by services and not goods.

Sounds like a Star Trek episode, maybe in several hundred years, humanity has to evolve and we're very far away from that.

 

[Toro]

because you don't own the land. it is an illusion created to offer a stimulus to the individual. the individual will never own the land. they will however be unwittingly enslaved by the notion that they do own the land.

Its ownership because society deems it to be so, and constructs it within the legal framework to protect the rights of property ownerhip. Thus, it is reality and not an "illusion". And of course, its not slavery either since ownership conveys the rights to act in a manner in which the owner sees fit (within the limitations of the law). To say that ownership is slavery is tantamount to say that black is white, up is down and wet is dry.

which is why people are lulled into believing they own then land when they do not. it increases productivity, which is essential to capitalism.

You got that right, which is why ownership is so important. Capitalism is by far and away the best system at creating wealth and improving the lives of its citizens, and productivity is the key to wealth creation.