Could Turks and Caicos be Canada’s 11th province?

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Blackleaf, depending on the details of the agreement, I'd be willing to have Canada join T&C or the UK or the US just as much as I'd be open to them joining us or even create a new constitution.

If it's not coerced, how is it imperialist?

Are you suggesting that if T&C wanted to join, that we should turn it down because accepting would be imperailist?
 

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LOL....

 

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Culture; better television;
Coronation Street?

less gun crime;

Good point. I see that the Brits are more hands-on and like to use cleavers



better music.

Which Spice Girl is your favorite?... Snaggle-tooth Spice maybe?


It shouldn't be too difficult defeating them, considering they were disbanded in 1944.

I'll bet that hurts you to the core. Not only did you (absolutely) need Canada and the US to pull your fat out of the fire in the major WWs, but literally a handful of US and Canadian soldiers traveled 1/2 way 'round the world and in no time at all, were kickin' *** and takin' names.

No doubt, that has got to take you down a peg or 2
 

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So you're proposing that we need to censor ourselves lest the residents of T&C take us up on our offer?

No, I'm saying you should censor yourselves because it's imperialist and colonialist.

In Canada though, we can talk about it all we want.


So you support colonialism?


The islands being British does not necessarily hamper their tourism industry. However, this would:

"I think Britain has got every right to tell Canada to stay away from BRITISH TERRITORY."

I doubt it. Because I think most tourists are inteligent enough to know that Britain has every right to tell Canada to get stuffed and to stay away from British territory. Every country has a right to defend its territory.

If you do not want Canadians near T&C Terrirory, all you need to do is pass a law saying Canadians are not allowed on T&C Territory. As you said, it's your territory, so Canada has no power to tell its citizens not to go there. As far as I'm concerned, it's not up to Canada to tell its citizens what they can or cannot do abroad.

It's no Canadian tourists I have an issue with. Canadian tourists are just a fraction of the tourists who go to the islands.

But should any Canadian military personnel arrive on the islands and claim the islands for Canada, then Canada will be for it.

But here's the question. Is she yours whether she likes it or not, or is she free to leave if she wishes to?

She's ours whether she likes it or not, just like Norfolk, or Manchester. And she does like it, like all our Overseas Territories.

When did we ever claim it as our own. We merely invited her to join if if she liked.

Well, you shouldn't have done, should you?

Clearly T&C is not interested, so why are you so concerned?

I'm not concerned that the islands are going to become angry. I'm concerned at the attempted Canadian colonialism and designs on starting a Canadian Empire that is taking place.

Blackleaf, depending on the details of the agreement, I'd be willing to have Canada join T&C or the UK or the US just as much as I'd be open to them joining us or even create a new constitution.

If it's not coerced, how is it imperialist?

Are you suggesting that if T&C wanted to join, that we should turn it down because accepting would be imperailist?

The islands have NEVER wantesd to join Canada, yet Canada keeps trying. It's imperialism. Canada isn't taking "no" for an answer.



I am not "educating" myself with false pro-Tibetan propaganda. I read REAL history.

Coronation Street?

What's wrong with Corrie? ANY British soap opera is better than the cheesy soaps you have in North America, filled solely with bad acting, wobbly walls and hunky men and airhead bimbos with blinding white teeth.



Good point. I see that the Brits are more hands-on and like to use cleavers

The murder rate England and Wales is one of the lowest in the world, much lower than it is in Canada.


Which Spice Girl is your favorite?... Snaggle-tooth Spice maybe?

Baby Spice used to be my favourite.

I'll bet that hurts you to the core. Not only did you (absolutely) need Canada and the US to pull your fat out of the fire in the major WWs,

Bollocks. When it comes to the World Wars you North Americans are the world champions are unjustified arrogance and high self-esteem.

You seem to forget that whilst American companies like Ford were siding with the Nazis, the British were the only people taking them on in the early parts of the war - and beating them in battles in the process.

but literally a handful of US and Canadian soldiers traveled 1/2 way 'round the world and in no time at all, were kickin' *** and takin' names.

Yeah, you're all bad-***, world-saving Supermen, aren't you? Did you all get changed in a telephone box beforehand?

The reality is that American intervention in WWII did nothing but prolong it. The British had almost won the Battle of the Atlantic until the Yanks joined in and messed it up, making it go on for several more years.

And the British had threats of invasion, rationing and cities being bombed to worry about, which is not something that the Yanks and Canucks ever had to endure.
 

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What's wrong with Corrie? ANY British soap opera is better than the cheesy soaps you have in North America, filled solely with bad acting, wobbly walls and hunky men and airhead bimbos with blinding white teeth.

It's your choice whatever it is you elect to watch; but I was just giving an example of the trend-setting, leading-edge television that is produced by your nation.

Personally, having a choice between Corrie and watching grass grow; I'd watch the grass

The murder rate England and Wales is one of the lowest in the world, much lower than it is in Canada.

For the life of me, I can't recall the last time that someone, a soldier for that matter, was beheaded in the streets in Canada or the USA.


Baby Spice used to be my favourite.

Yeah, those Spice Girls were a real gift to the music world

Bollocks. When it comes to the World Wars you North Americans are the world champions are unjustified arrogance and high self-esteem.

You seem to forget that whilst American companies like Ford were siding with the Nazis, the British were the only people taking them on in the early parts of the war - and beating them in battles in the process.


Yeah, you're all bad-***, world-saving Supermen, aren't you? Did you all get changed in a telephone box beforehand?

The reality is that American intervention in WWII did nothing but prolong it. The British had almost won the Battle of the Atlantic until the Yanks joined in and messed it up, making it go on for several more years.

And the British had threats of invasion, rationing and cities being bombed to worry about, which is not something that the Yanks and Canucks ever had to endure.

I'm just yanking your chain here BL, and just as calculated, you took the bait like a trout going for a fly.

... But while I will agree that Britain was a one-man-show for a long time, the real question here is why did Britain and the European Allies allow Germany to rearm in the first place?... What was the logic that resulted in the turning of a blind eye when Poland was annexed?

So, in answer to your comment about arrogance, you are damned lucky that a group of arrogant N Americans agreed to assist to compensate for the ignorance of Chamberlain in the first place.
 

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It's your choice whatever it is you elect to watch; but I was just giving an example of the trend-setting, leading-edge television that is produced by your nation.

There are much more British shows aired in North America, or copied by the Americans and Canadians, than the number of North American shows aired in Britain or copied by the British.

What does that tell you? It tells you that the quality of British TV is much higher than that in Canada or the USA.

Gritty, more lifelike British soap operas, with their greater variety, are more popular in North America than North American soaps, with their white-teethed hunky men, airhead women and wobbly walls, are in Britain.

For the life of me, I can't recall the last time that someone, a soldier for that matter, was beheaded in the streets in Canada or the USA.

So what? I can never remember seeing a passenger jet flown into a skyscraper in a major British city. That was ONE British soldier murdered. It's hardly skyrocketing the British murder rate.

The fact of the matter is that the murder rate in England and Wales is amongst the lowest in the world.

The US murder rate is 4.7 per 100,000. The Scottish murder rate is 2.33 per 100,000, the second highest in Europe. The Canadian murder rate is 1.6 per 100,00. The murder rate in England and Wales is just 0.7 per 100,000, the second lowest in Europe.

Yeah, those Spice Girls were a real gift to the music world

The Spice Girls were the most successful girl group of all time and one of the best-selling pop groups of all time. They were the most successful British band since the Beatles.

But to say that the world-beating British music industry is poor just because of the Spice Girls is a bit silly, to be honest, when Britain has given the world MANY of its greatest pop and rock groups and artists.

... But while I will agree that Britain was a one-man-show for a long time, the real question here is why did Britain and the European Allies allow Germany to rearm in the first place?... What was the logic that resulted in the turning of a blind eye when Poland was annexed?

Why did the Americans and the Canadians allow the Germans to re-arm? They also took part in the First World War which led to the Treaty of Versailles. Why blame it solely on the Europeans?

So, in answer to your comment about arrogance, you are damned lucky that a group of arrogant N Americans agreed to assist to compensate for the ignorance of Chamberlain in the first place.

Not really, no.. As I've pointed out before on this forum - and as many historical EXPERTS have pointed out - Britain could have won WWII WITHOUT American "assistance".
 
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There are much more British shows aired in North America, or copied by the Americans and Canadians, than the number of North American shows aired in Britain or copied by the British.

What does that tell you? It tells you that the quality of British TV is much higher than that in Canada or the USA.

Gritty, more lifelike British soap operas, with their greater variety, are more popular in North America than North American soaps, with their white-teethed hunky men, airhead women and wobbly walls, are in Britain.

Soap operas don't count as real television.

Brit shows I've seen are, well, boring as hell (and yes, I'm counting all of the reality and talent shows).


So what? I can never remember seeing a passenger jet flown into a skyscraper in a major British city. That was ONE British soldier murdered. It's hardly skyrocketing the British murder rate.

The fact of the matter is that the murder rate in England and Wales is amongst the lowest in the world.

The US murder rate is 4.7 per 100,000. The Scottish murder rate is 2.33 per 100,000, the second highest in Europe. The Canadian murder rate is 1.6 per 100,00. The murder rate in England and Wales is just 0.7 per 100,000, the second lowest in Europe.

Why limit it to just murder?

I see that the UK is #2 in terms of total crimes commited.

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

The Spice Girls were the most successful girl group of all time and one of the best-selling pop groups of all time. They were the most successful British band since the Beatles.

But to say that the world-beating British music industry is poor just because of the Spice Girls is a bit silly, to be honest, when Britain has given the world MANY of its greatest pop and rock groups and artists.

That success was a result of aggressive marketing campaigns, not talent. This would be the reason that they presently reside in the 'where are they now' file.


Why did the Americans and the Canadians allow the Germans to re-arm? They also took part in the First World War which led to the Treaty of Versailles. Why blame it solely on the Europeans?

You should have called us earlier... We certainly would have taken care of the problem for you

Not really, no.. As I've pointed out before on this forum - and as many historical EXPERTS have pointed out - Britain could have won WWII WITHOUT American "assistance".

Ohhh... Historical experts that provide an opinion.

From what I recall of the historical opinion, the Nazis were weeks away from perfecting the V2 rockets... Would have been a game changer.

Hell, we still haven't touched on the notion that the U-boats had effectively cut-off the supply lines to the UK.... So, spare me the hogwash about winning without any support
 
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Soap operas don't count as real television.

Why not?

Brit shows I've seen are, well, boring as hell (and yes, I'm counting all of the reality and talent shows).

They are so "boring" that the Canadians and Americans lap them up.

Why limit it to just murder?

I see that the UK is #2 in terms of total crimes commited.

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

Rubbish. What about all those countries where thousands of crimes every year aren't even reported to the authorities for various reasons? That list is merely one of REPORTED crimes.

That success was a result of aggressive marketing campaigns, not talent. This would be the reason that they presently reside in the 'where are they now' file.

And the Spice Girls are one of how many British bands and solo artists that there have been over the decades? You are judging the entire British music industry on one girl group.

You should have called us earlier... We certainly would have taken care of the problem for you

Yeah, how? And why should we call you? If you were so against Germany re-arming why did you need to wait for a British phonecall? And the fact that no phonecall was forthcoming shows that the British were hardly desperate for Captain America to come and save the day.

From what I recall of the historical opinion, the Nazis were weeks away from perfecting the V2 rockets... Would have been a game changer.

The Nazis DID develop the V2. They fired loads of them onto London. And they still lost the war. It was hardly a game changer.

Hell, we still haven't touched on the notion that the U-boats had effectively cut-off the supply lines to the UK.... So, spare me the hogwash about winning without any support

The British would have won the war WITHOUT American "help" (that is once American major companies such as Ford stopped doing deals with the Nazis whilst the British were having their cities bombed and taking the fight to the Nazis on their own). All American intervention did was mess things up and PROLONG the war. Britain, alone, was winning the Battle of the Atlantic, and then the Yanks joined in and ****ed things up (like they often do in wars), prolonging both the Battle of the Atlantic and the war.

Remember, that the US was only able to enter the war in Europe after the British cleared the way for them to do so.

Had the Germans won the Battle of Britain, whilst Britain's "allies" like the US were remaining neutral and even doing commercial deals with Nazi Germany, then the war would have been over. Britain stood against Nazi Germany for two years, whilst "Captain America" and the USSR stood on the sidelines doing sod all.

You can thank Britain's heroic lone stand against Nazi Germany for winning WWII. This heroic lone stand would have been something Captain America or Canada would never have been able to achieve. They would have capitulated, unlike the British.
 

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Ya know BL, you are soooo easy to bait that it's not fun anymore.

Really man, haven't you kinda figured this out yet?

By the way, if it wasn't for the french resistance, the Brits would have been eating schnitzel and Kaiser brand sour kraut with a year of WWII.

Fact
 

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Ya know BL, you are soooo easy to bait that it's not fun anymore.

Really man, haven't you kinda figured this out yet?

By the way, if it wasn't for the french resistance, the Brits would have been eating schnitzel and Kaiser brand sour kraut with a year of WWII.

Fact

French resistance? That's an oxymoron.

They surrendered as soon as Germany invaded, whereas the British would have still carried on fighting even had they been inveded.

And, I'll say again: No British victory in the Battle of Britain, when Britain was fighting alone after the Froggoes waved the white flag and the US was standing on the sidelines being the appeaser, would not only have meant no D-Day, it would also have meant Germany won WWII.
 

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French resistance? That's an oxymoron.

They surrendered as soon as Germany invaded, whereas the British would have still carried on fighting even had they been inveded.

And, I'll say again: No British victory in the Battle of Britain, when Britain was fighting alone after the Froggoes waved the white flag and the US was standing on the sidelines being the appeaser, would not only have meant no D-Day, it would also have meant Germany won WWII.

Yes Blackie (may I call you Blackie?).

It's a well known and highly documented fact that without the critical and strategic efforts of the French Underground (aka French Resistance), Britain would have fallen almost immediately.

You should be thanking them instead of hurling insults.
 

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My turn....

British TV might get a little better when you get your 5th channel. ;-)

The Spice Girls are an embarrassment to music and were nothing but the result of a great marketing campaign, just like the Backstreet Boys. Most music is marketing nowadays with very little substance on both sides of the pond.

Britain did not win the war and would not have won the war. You can be as revisionist as you like but the USSR defeated Hitler, not the Nato forces. And just to clarify for ya BL, Canada was still the Dominion of Canada and a british territory and our men were there from day 1... well day 3.

Canada declared war on Germany independently during World War II under Liberal Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King, three days after Britain. The first Canadian Army units arrived in Britain in December 1939

Now as for T&C they can do whatever they like. If they chose to join Russia or Italy or Zimbabwe it's all the same to us who support democracy and freedom over empirical oppression. Your continual rants of how you exert control over the population of distant Islands by denying them control of their own destiny and future is abhorrent. You have an attitude just the same as 18th century plantation owners. You are no better than a slave trader. Just the idea that you would refuse a foreign legislature the right to separate from the British Empire puts you into one of the lowest classes of people there is. You might as well call it Apartheid.

So you go ahead and try to deny them the right to vote and separate if you want (your govt won't) and you send you forces to keep them by force if they choose to separate (your govt won't), if they ask us to join or even just for help to democratically separate we will help. You so overrate you military power it isn't funny. You are a meager shadow of former glory. You are ill-equipped to meet us in battle and that doesn't even matter because England would never attack Canada and Canada would never attack England.

Time now for you to STFU and get over yourself and quit all the chest thumping. Canada will not try to take T&C by force, what's the point of that as we would just be as empirical as you, but we will talk to them as much as we want, whenever we want and wherever we want. If they decide we are a better deal we will assist them to throw of the colonial shackles of centuries and become even partners and players in Canada and you govt won't do jack-sh*t to stop it because unlike you they believe in freedom & democracy too.
 

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For those of you who think a single country won WWII, you are sadly mistaken, it took near a global effort to defeat German Nazism, Italian Fascism and Japanese Imperialism. You guys disgrace the fallen, shame.
 

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For those of you who think a single country won WWII, you are sadly mistaken, it took near a global effort to defeat German Nazism, Italian Fascism and Japanese Imperialism. You guys disgrace the fallen, shame.

I know it was a group effort around the globe. BL seems to think Britain won by itself.