Costly Tory crime bill passes

[mentalfloss]

I'm not saying we don't need government. I'm saying that we need less centralized government. Federal governments are just as open to corruption as large international unions and corporations. Those with the money can buy favour and dictate policy in their favour. What we need is a federal system that only deals with foreign policy and trade. Perhaps even take away some of provincial powers and give more to civic and regional governments.

Well that depends primarily on whether the scope of decisions they set should be spread provincially or federally, and we can only really figure that out through trial and error. I will agree though, that this crime bill is an excellent example where we should maybe look at what's good provincially, rather than what's good for Canada.

 

[eh1eh]

I'm not saying we don't need government. I'm saying that we need less centralized government. Federal governments are just as open to corruption as large international unions and corporations. Those with the money can buy favour and dictate policy in their favour. What we need is a federal system that only deals with foreign policy and trade. Perhaps even take away some of provincial powers and give more to civic and regional governments.

Without our 'federal' system BC would just be a stop on the Seattle Juno highway. Do you want to be the 51st state or have health care?

 

[Cliffy]

Without our 'federal' system BC would just be a stop on the Seattle Juno highway. Do you want to be the 51st state or have health care?

I see you are a black and white kinda guy. BC was made a British colony before confederation. It became a province under false pretenses, no treaties with the aboriginal people and no land claim settlements before entry, which was supposed to be a qualification to confederation. The colonial government of the day lied to the feds. The feds had nothing to do with BC being separate from Washington.

 

[eh1eh]

I see you are a black and white kinda guy. BC was made a British colony before confederation. It became a province under false pretenses, to treaties with the aboriginal people and no land claim settlements before entry, which was supposed to a qualification to confederation. The colonial government of the day lied to the feds. The feds had nothing to do with BC being separate from Washington.

Welcome to the 'free' world.
But anyways, BC is separate from the US of A. Now count your luck stars.

 

[Cliffy]

Welcome to the 'free' world.
But anyways, BC is separate from the US of A. Now count your luck stars.

I lived in the Quesnel area for 15 years simply because I did not want to live any closer to the US. Just about everybody I met down there wearing a uniform was a psychopath.

 

[eh1eh]

I lived in the Quesnel area for 15 years simply because I did not want to live any closer to the US. Just about everybody I met down there wearing a uniform was a psychopath.

Ok. I guess it takes a certain type to wear a uniform in that context.
Look on the bright side, at least you weren't in PG.
I don't know what that means but I've heard it's bad to be from PG. lol.

 

[mentalfloss]

Conservative crime bill a 'very, very strong case' for Quebec independence: PQ member Bernard Drainville | News | National Post

 

[Cliffy]

Ok. I guess it takes a certain type to wear a uniform in that context.
Look on the bright side, at least you weren't in PG.
I don't know what that means but I've heard it's bad to be from PG. lol.

I think you mean "live in PG", the former crime capital and present cancer capital of Canada. The only thing it has going for it is that it farther from the US border than Quesnel.

 

[WLDB]

What we need is a federal system that only deals with foreign policy and trade. Perhaps even take away some of provincial powers and give more to civic and regional governments.

That would be weird. One country but different criminal laws in different areas.

 

[mentalfloss]

That would be weird. One country but different criminal laws in different areas.

I can see it.

We have some pretty distinctly flavoured provinces.

 

[Cliffy]

And besides, our present laws are about 90% stupid or so old they don't make sense any more.

 

[WLDB]

I can see it.

We have some pretty distinctly flavoured provinces.

True, culturally. But legally I think the same criminal laws should apply across the country.

And besides, our present laws are about 90% stupid or so old they don't make sense any more.

Some of our new ones are too.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Here's man who raped children 500 times. If more prisons put pedophiles in jail for 30-40 years, then I support this bill.

Chilliwack man gets 18 months for 500-plus sex assaults
Chilliwack man gets 18 months for 500-plus sex assaults

Despite previous conviction on a similar crime, judge swayed by desire to change
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[damngrumpy]

Wait until the bill comes due for these expensive prisons and administration and we
find out that crime is actually down. There will be thousands in jail for minor crimes
to pay for a wasteful system that will fail just like the one our American cousins are
paying for. The crime bill is not all bad its just very ill conceived. Its more about the
ideology of the 1980's than it is about the real picture of crime in Canada today.
The Tories are at 37% and that means they are slowly sliding down the scale of
acceptance. I think they have peeked and they will struggle to get elected again.
Crime bill aside these things can be modified, in other words changed without using
the world changed.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Wait until the bill comes due for these expensive prisons and administration and we
find out that crime is actually down. There will be thousands in jail for minor crimes
to pay for a wasteful system that will fail just like the one our American cousins are
paying for. The crime bill is not all bad its just very ill conceived. Its more about the
ideology of the 1980's than it is about the real picture of crime in Canada today.
The Tories are at 37% and that means they are slowly sliding down the scale of
acceptance. I think they have peeked and they will struggle to get elected again.
Crime bill aside these things can be modified, in other words changed without using
the world changed.

Americans don't even do this.

500 rapes of children and no problem? Rape of a child is a minor crime to you? These are the people that ought to be locked up for a very long time.

Then they are freed from prison and come out as useless old men who live alone until they die in a lonely room. They deserve it. It would be a good deterent.