Controversy surrounds Obama's faith office

karrie

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That bill is supposed to stimulate the economy. Period. It isn't supposed to show support for religion. Anyone who thinks Obama is anti-religion hasn't been paying attention to him. He is very religious. He isn't a king or a dictator though. This bill has to get the approval of a lot of other politicians....

renovating a Catholic school does just as much to stimulate the economy as renovating a private school without religion in it though, that's the odd part. They have to hire contractors, buy supplies, etc. Being a school where prayer occurs doesn't mean that money doesn't need to go back out into the economy sometimes.
 

tracy

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renovating a Catholic school does just as much to stimulate the economy as renovating a private school without religion in it though, that's the odd part. They have to hire contractors, buy supplies, etc. Being a school where prayer occurs doesn't mean that money doesn't need to go back out into the economy sometimes.

I understand that. I think the point was to take the potential for abuse out of it and make sure the money goes to those who really need it. School renovation: important to the general public. Chappel renovation on school grounds: not so much. That's important to a select few. Plus, regular public schools don't have the same access to money as the Catholic schools for instance, since the Catholic church is a charity with a lot of money. They need the money more. It's that simple. I drive by a lot of public schools. They don't look the same as the private religious one that I work beside.
 

karrie

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I understand that. I think the point was to take the potential for abuse out of it and make sure the money goes to those who really need it. School renovation: important to the general public. Chappel renovation on school grounds: not so much. That's important to a select few. Plus, regular public schools don't have the same access to money as the Catholic schools for instance, since the Catholic church is a charity with a lot of money. They need the money more. It's that simple. I drive by a lot of public schools. They don't look the same as the private religious one that I work beside.

See, if they kept all institutional money in JUST public schools it would make sense. Presumably, public schools need the money. But, private school that don't necessarily need the money any more than one run by Catholic charity (or some other religious group) can get it... so long as they don't violate the criteria, starting out with prayer on their grounds. It kind of floored me, I have to say.
 

tracy

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See, if they kept all institutional money in JUST public schools it would make sense. Presumably, public schools need the money. But, private school that don't necessarily need the money any more than one run by Catholic charity (or some other religious group) can get it... so long as they don't violate the criteria, starting out with prayer on their grounds. It kind of floored me, I have to say.

Why would it floor you that a bill worth over 800billion that has to get passed through congress might have a small loophole which affects less than 1% of the money? That's all that is. It isn't a message from Obama declaring war on organized religion.

The man attends organized religious services every week and has fairly conservative religious views (doesn't believe in gay marriage for instance). This is just Republican hysteria carried over from the election. The absolute kiss of death in American politics would be if a politician were an atheist/agnostic/non-Christian. During the election they kept spreading rumours that he was a muslim. Now he's attacking religion and the religious. Puh-leeze. Why would he attack a group he's a member of?
 

tracy

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BTW, I don't see where it says religious based schools can't use the money to repair regular classrooms. It just says "funds are prohibited from being used for the "modernization, renovation, or repair" of facilities that allow "sectarian instruction, religious worship or a school or department of divinity." Where does it say a Catholic school couldn't use the money to help their science department?