Colin Powell Lied: 100 000 Died

[shortmanx5]

the un doesnt inforce anything

 

[shortmanx5]

thats why the un doesnt work, no one ever wants to take any action if a country disobeys the laws

 

[FiveParadox]

Then we are at an agreement, shortmanx5. I was just trying to show that it was possible as per Canadian law to do so, lol. But no, it wouldn't be wise on the part of our government, because Parliament Hill would be no more than a crater in about ... oh, how long would it take a missile to launch and intercept?

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: RE: Colin Powell Lied: 100 000 Died

thats why the un doesnt work, no one ever wants to take any action if a country disobeys the laws

Are you saying, freely, that you believe that the United States of America has acted in contradiction of the law, in some capacity or another?

 

[shortmanx5]

i sort of i agree i never meant it was not in canadian law to do so. i just meant they would never try

 

[shortmanx5]

yea but not for the war in iraq, but other things yes

 

[Johnny Utah]

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Colin Powell is a war criminal, Donald Rumsfeld is a war criminal, Condy Rice is a war criminal,George Bush is a war criminal, Dick Cheney is a war criminal, Carl Rove is a war criminal and on and on and on they have all collectively been responsible for the death of thousands, when will justice be done. No Jimmoyer it's not rediculous read about the retreat of the Iraqi army from Kuwait and you will see what Powell did after hostilitys were declared over.It was mass murder.

Your post shows how far from reality you truly are. If anyone is a War Criminal it's Saddam for what he did in the first Gulf War, but it's nice of you to ignore that in which Saddam must appreciate support from people like you.

 

[shortmanx5]

the un is not working very well, many in the usa dont feel it even helps, thats why we choose not to listen to the un

 

[shortmanx5]

how can you make laws and then have no way to inforce them

 

[Johnny Utah]

Well of course he lied. They all did: Bush, Powell, Cheney, Rice... And they continue to do so, but they're probably convinced they're not, pretending it's all about peace and democracy and freedom. It's not and never was. It's not about terrorism either, and it's only peripherally about oil. It's about who's running the planet, it's about a military-industrial establishment creating new enemies to justify its continued existence, and it's about preventing the appearance of a rival model to the American one of how to build a successful nation state. In other words, it's plain old 19th century imperialism--the British used to justify themselves in exactly the same terms when they were the global power--and it's laying the groundwork for a Third World War.

And anybody who thinks there's a finite non-zero probability that Powell will be arrested in Toronto is looney. No chance.

The War in Iraq is not about Oil, it's about Terrorism in which Saddam supported Terrorism. He supported the families of suicide bombers in Israel. Blaming the Military now, sorry they follow the orders they are given, but keep it up with your Anti-Americanism it shows you really know nothing. :wink:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Nothing makes America and its officals any more special than anyone else.

'Fraid you're wrong about that. In principle you're right, but in practical terms... They define themselves as more special, they've got the muscle to make it stick, and they will, until somebody or something knocks them off the pedestal they've put themselves on. What do you suppose would happen if Powell were arrested and delivered to the International Court at The Hague to be tried as a war criminal as Milosovic was? With the present U.S. administration, I'd expect a carrier task force in the North Sea and a landing in great force on some convenient place on the Dutch coast by marines and armour, or perhaps a lightning commando raid... They'd go rescue him.

No American is going to be tried for war crimes by anyone but Americans (remember Lt. William Calley?) until America is reduced to the status of Serbia.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: Colin Powell Lied: 100 000 Died

the un is not working very well, many in the usa dont feel it even helps, thats why we choose not to listen to the un

The UN run by Kofi"UN SCAM" Annan shows what a joke they are. There is the UN Oil for Food Scandal and the massacares in Rwanda and the Sudan while the UN sat on it's ass and debated. Which is why in 1999 Clinton bombed Kosovo without permission from the UN because even when Clinton was President the UN was useless as it is today.

 

[shortmanx5]

fianlly a candian that knows what he is talkin about

 

[shortmanx5]

Nothing makes America and its officals any more special than anyone else.

'Fraid you're wrong about that. In principle you're right, but in practical terms... They define themselves as more special, they've got the muscle to make it stick, and they will, until somebody or something knocks them off the pedestal they've put themselves on. What do you suppose would happen if Powell were arrested and delivered to the International Court at The Hague to be tried as a war criminal as Milosovic was? With the present U.S. administration, I'd expect a carrier task force in the North Sea and a landing in great force on some convenient place on the Dutch coast by marines and armour, or perhaps a lightning commando raid... They'd go rescue him.


No American is going to be tried for war crimes by anyone but Americans (remember Lt. William Calley?) until America is reduced to the status of Serbia.

You hit it right on the head. No one wants a fight they cant win. that would be a funny thing to watch the us troops landing there.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The War in Iraq is not about Oil, it's about Terrorism in which Saddam supported Terrorism. He supported the families of suicide bombers in Israel. Blaming the Military now, sorry they follow the orders they are given, but keep it up with your Anti-Americanism it shows you really know nothing.

Nope, wrong on at least three counts.

1. It's not about terrorism and it never was.
2. That's not anti-Americanism--I have nothing against Americans, though I'm not fond of their current government-- it's simply a realistic assessment of events in their historical context.
3. In no sense did I blame the military for anything, I was blaming the American leaders who gave the orders.

I also didn't say it's about oil, I said oil was only a peripheral issue. And don't be telling me I know nothing and winking at me, that's just a pointless ad hominem attack that adds nothing to your argument.

You need to think bigger, about the larger context of the attack on Iraq, and understand that it's not actually about Iraq at all, Iraq was just a relatively easy target to make the point with: It's about the way the world will be run. Some things you might usefully read before you try arguing about this:

Future: Tense by Gwynne Dyer, McClelland and Stewart Ltd. ISBN 0-7710-2978-0

Rogue State by William Blum, Common Courage Press, ISBN 1-56751-374-3

Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky, Henry Holt and Co., ISBN 0-8050-7688-3

Unless you can counter in detail, with supported facts and citations from commonly available sources, at least half of everything those three guys have written that supports the position I've taken, you can't make a case I can take seriously. If it were only one of them on my side I'd be a little skeptical, but when I get three entirely consistent analyses from three very different sources, all of them well documented and intelligently argued, and one of them's from a man who's proven himself to be remarkably prescient about other matters--Gwynne Dyer correctly predicted the war in Iraq in a book called Ignorant Armies written two years earlier, and correctly predicted the consequences of the fall of the Soviet empire and the reunification of Germany in a book called simply War, published in 1985--well, I'm inclined to think maybe those guys are on to something.

 

[Johnny Utah]

The War in Iraq is not about Oil, it's about Terrorism in which Saddam supported Terrorism. He supported the families of suicide bombers in Israel. Blaming the Military now, sorry they follow the orders they are given, but keep it up with your Anti-Americanism it shows you really know nothing.

Nope, wrong on at least three counts.

1. It's not about terrorism and it never was.
2. That's not anti-Americanism--I have nothing against Americans, though I'm not fond of their current government-- it's simply a realistic assessment of events in their historical context.
3. In no sense did I blame the military for anything, I was blaming the American leaders who gave the orders.

I also didn't say it's about oil, I said oil was only a peripheral issue. And don't be telling me I know nothing and winking at me, that's just a pointless ad hominem attack that adds nothing to your argument.

You need to think bigger, about the larger context of the attack on Iraq, and understand that it's not actually about Iraq at all, Iraq was just a relatively easy target to make the point with: It's about the way the world will be run. Some things you might usefully read before you try arguing about this:

Future: Tense by Gwynne Dyer, McClelland and Stewart Ltd. ISBN 0-7710-2978-0

Rogue State by William Blum, Common Courage Press, ISBN 1-56751-374-3

Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky, Henry Holt and Co., ISBN 0-8050-7688-3

Unless you can counter in detail, with supported facts and citations from commonly available sources, at least half of everything those three guys have written that supports the position I've taken, you can't make a case I can take seriously. If it were only one of them on my side I'd be a little skeptical, but when I get three entirely consistent analyses from three very different sources, all of them well documented and intelligently argued, and one of them's from a man who's proven himself to be remarkably prescient about other matters--Gwynne Dyer correctly predicted the war in Iraq in a book called Ignorant Armies written two years earlier, and correctly predicted the consequences of the fall of the Soviet empire and the reunification of Germany in a book called simply War, published in 1985--well, I'm inclined to think maybe those guys are on to something.

I'll look into the 3 you posted , any links for them? There is a new Book" Cobra II" about the Iraq War, I might look into it.

 

[zoofer]

Any civilized country that did not participate in the coalition to liberate 25 million Iraqis should be charged with cowardice in the face of the enemy and their leaders shot between the eyes.

Then they should be in the dock with Saddam for aiding and abetting his murder of a million Iraqis and Iranians.

Then they should be appointed to the upper echelons on that useless snakepit the UN.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I'll look into the 3 you posted , any links for them?

They're not on line, if that's what you mean, but with the ISBN any book store should able to locate them for you, and they're almost certainly available at Amazon. Everything else seems to be.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...should be charged with cowardice in the face of the enemy and their leaders shot between the eyes.

8O Wow Zoof, charged and then shot without trial? You promoting terrorist tactics too?

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Colin Powell Lied: 10

JohnnyUtah said

"I'll look into the 3 you posted , any links for them? There is a new Book" Cobra II" about the Iraq War, I might look into it."

Sounds like a junk novel with big pictures of macho US soldiers with guns.