Climate change-Implications

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Climate change-Implic

The science supporting climate change is solid, Jay. The ones speaking out against climate change and Kyoto are doing it for political reasons. Oddly enough they use the same techniques as the anti-evolutionists.

An example from the above post?

Global temperatures increased throughout the 1940s, declined in the 1970s and subsequently began to rise again. Present-day global warming resembles the 1940s, when ships could easily navigate Arctic passages. However, man's impact was much smaller at that time.

They forgot to mention that the permafrost wasn't melting in the 1940s, that our records and data are much more accurate now, and that the theories and models take cycles and microclimates into account...even predict them.

The technique is to take real science out of context and present it to an unscientific audience as if it was the whole story. The motivation is political in this case, instead of religious, but the overlap in those duped by it are pretty solid...it is faith-based instead of science based and it is being put forth by people with their own agenda.

 

[manda]

Everybody needs to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
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YOu know rubbing it in, isn't very nice

 

[Jay]

Well I checked a database. They are a non-profit but not a registered charity in Canada. Which means they are NOT tax exempt. So anyone giving them donations cannot claim anything on their tax returns, be it corporations or individuals.

Which leads me to believe they fund it themselves, seeing that their videos are rather poor in quality, not to mention their website.

So maybe, the only thing they have to gain is .....the truth?

Not your comments.. :wink:

I was just kidding ITN...I'm always interested in what you have to say....

 

[I think not]

Well I checked a database. They are a non-profit but not a registered charity in Canada. Which means they are NOT tax exempt. So anyone giving them donations cannot claim anything on their tax returns, be it corporations or individuals.

Which leads me to believe they fund it themselves, seeing that their videos are rather poor in quality, not to mention their website.

So maybe, the only thing they have to gain is .....the truth?

Not your comments.. :wink:

 

[Jay]

Well I checked a database. They are a non-profit but not a registered charity in Canada. Which means they are NOT tax exempt. So anyone giving them donations cannot claim anything on their tax returns, be it corporations or individuals.

Which leads me to believe they fund it themselves, seeing that their videos are rather poor in quality, not to mention their website.

So maybe, the only thing they have to gain is .....the truth?

Not your comments.. :wink:

I can only imagine what horrible thing lies behind that X...

 

[manda]

Well I checked a database. They are a non-profit but not a registered charity in Canada. Which means they are NOT tax exempt. So anyone giving them donations cannot claim anything on their tax returns, be it corporations or individuals.

Which leads me to believe they fund it themselves, seeing that their videos are rather poor in quality, not to mention their website.

So maybe, the only thing they have to gain is .....the truth?

Not your comments.. :wink:

I can only imagine what horrible thing lies behind that X...

Be afraid...very afraid 8O

 

[I think not]

Fixed, here it is again:

 

[Reverend Blair]

Which leads me to believe they fund it themselves, seeing that their videos are rather poor in quality, not to mention their website.

So maybe, the only thing they have to gain is .....the truth?

They are what's known as an astroturf, ITN. They pretend to be grass roots, but front for powerful interests.

Do yourself a favour...take some names off that site and punch them in here.

 

[Jay]

Fixed, here it is again:

Americans and their gun culture.....

 

[I think not]

Fixed, here it is again:

Americans and their gun culture.....

I was going to use a beheading smilie, I found that more appropriate, but couldnt find one....unfortunately

 

[Jay]

Smilies that behead people....what is the world coming too?

 

[I think not]

Which leads me to believe they fund it themselves, seeing that their videos are rather poor in quality, not to mention their website.

So maybe, the only thing they have to gain is .....the truth?

They are what's known as an astroturf, ITN. They pretend to be grass roots, but front for powerful interests.

Do yourself a favour...take some names off that site and punch them in here.

That was very interesting, all the names showed up on ExxonSecrets.org as being a front for Exxon. I think I will challenge them. I'm sending them an email.

Oh and btw, exxonsecrets.org is a front for Greenpeace, funny how they don't advertise that either.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Oh and btw, exxonsecrets.org is a front for Greenpeace, funny how they don't advertise that either.

From the website:

"This website is the first chapter of a larger Greenpeace project provide a research database of information on the corporate funded anti-environmental movement.

The database compiles Exxon Foundation funding to a series of institutions who have worked to undermine solutions to global warming  and climate change in recent years.  Individuals working with these organizations and their global warming quotes and deeds are detailed.  There are downloadable source documents or links to sources are provided  throughout.

DISCLAIMER
Please note that while every effort is made to ensure accuracy, Greenpeace does not represent or warrant that all the information on this website is complete or accurate. The information is inherently subject to change without notice and may become dated.  Every citation has a source document or website linked. One should nonetheless verify any information obtained from this website if it is re-purposed. The information was diligently researched and checked by staff and found to be the best available as of June 2004 and will be updated as often as possible.  If you notice inaccuracies, dead website reference links or have more information please contact us immediately.

The database behind this website builds on the anti-environmental research of CLEAR, the Clearinghouse on Advocacy and Environmental Research. "

 

[manda]

Re: RE: Climate change-Implications

Smilies that behead people....what is the world coming too?

there are som er..ahem, not so sweet "love" smilies too

 

[I think not]

Oh and btw, exxonsecrets.org is a front for Greenpeace, funny how they don't advertise that either.

From the website:

"This website is the first chapter of a larger Greenpeace project provide a research database of information on the corporate funded anti-environmental movement.

The database compiles Exxon Foundation funding to a series of institutions who have worked to undermine solutions to global warming  and climate change in recent years.  Individuals working with these organizations and their global warming quotes and deeds are detailed.  There are downloadable source documents or links to sources are provided  throughout.

DISCLAIMER
Please note that while every effort is made to ensure accuracy, Greenpeace does not represent or warrant that all the information on this website is complete or accurate. The information is inherently subject to change without notice and may become dated.  Every citation has a source document or website linked. One should nonetheless verify any information obtained from this website if it is re-purposed. The information was diligently researched and checked by staff and found to be the best available as of June 2004 and will be updated as often as possible.  If you notice inaccuracies, dead website reference links or have more information please contact us immediately.

The database behind this website builds on the anti-environmental research of CLEAR, the Clearinghouse on Advocacy and Environmental Research. "

OK, I stand corrected that was in the flash animation section they had, I always skip those. I take the long route. Anyway, I sent friends of science an email, see what they have to say.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Climate change-Implic

I was going to point out that they do, in fact, advertise their connection to Greenpeace. Henry beat me to it though...thanks Henry.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

"Yury Izrael, Director, Global Climate and Ecology Institute, Russian Academy of Sciences and United Nations International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Vice President", as he likes to be known, can say what he likes, but it's patently clear that the IPCC and the RAS don't agree with him, and nor do any of the other Academies for that matter: http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/document.asp?latest=1&id=3222 (edited: link doesn't want to work; cut and paste, sorry)

Besides, Izrael concurs that temperatures and sea levels are rising - it's just his personal opinion that it's not due to human activity and that, as long as the entire population of Bangladesh doesn't mind shoving up a little, we haven't got anything to worry about.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Climate change-Implic

It's funny how little research it takes to learn the truth, and how unwilling people who do not want to know the truth are to do a little research.

 

[I think not]

That was very interesting, all the names showed up on ExxonSecrets.org as being a front for Exxon. I think I will challenge them. I'm sending them an email.

Still waiting for a reply. Nothing yet. They already lost credibility by not responding, but I'll keep at it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Climate change-Implic

Everything they say is documented ITN. It has to be or they'd get sued. These people are known for being litigious.