Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guilty

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

if I may interject......... IMHO.....it is more emotional. Who ever supports bush either LIKES him , likes his style, likes the patriotism card he plays...... and so they are not going to spend time examining his performance with a "critical" eye. they are a group that is inclined to FOLLOW along but not do much critical thinking. Herd mentality comes into play too.


the problem I have is......how can they so blindly support an invasion that was so unnec. The whole Iraq issue could have been handled so much more intelligently. ( and that is your point , isn't it ........that intelligence factor..(lack of);-)


just random thoughts.....on a quiet Sat evening..;-)

He plays the religious card Ocean. That's how he got elected the 2nd time around. He sits and publicly prays in official state functions. I imagine he's praying for his soul, he sure as hell ain't praying for mine or those serving abroad.

dang it, !! thanks ITN :thumbleft: for reminding me of the religious card. Good job. ( forgot that one). And yes...... that would bring unquestioning followers , wouldn't it?? Just like religous beliefs are expected to be accepted on face value......he operates much the same way.

 

[zenfisher]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Harrrumph ... in case you forget Ocean, the President was fairly elected twice by the US population. On the last election he garnered over 50% of the vote and great majority of the states. Are you saying that over half of all Americans are not worthy of respect. In the south where the Republican vote is higher, are you saying that 70% of southerners are not worthy of respect?

This is not exactly a true statement. You are ignoring the fact that slightly under a third of eligible Americans did not vote at all. In reality less than 50% of the total population voted for Bush.

Earlier you said that Sheehan was a lunatic. Why? Why is someone who opposes a war...any war...a lunatic? To my thinking it is the other way around. I understand the need to stop terrorism, I understand the need to remove Saddam. There were better, legal, ways to do it. As far as I can determine...invading Iraq has done absolutely nothing to deter terrorism. What it has done is allow the Bush government to slowly erode our basic rights....while avoiding the fact, that they have done very little to prevent any threat of terrorism or attack.

I work with many Republicans. Very few truly like the President, but they are so caught up in the ideals presented by the Republican party...they ignore the reality of what is happening in this country. You might ask yourself this Nascar...When China comes to collect their debt...What are they going to repossess ? Then maybe you'll come to the realization of what George W. Bush is doing to this country.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

When China comes to collect their debt...What are they going to repossess ?

It ain't gonna be that crappy little Texas pig farm that Bush likes to pretend is a ranch. They won't actually repossess anything. What they will do is destroy your economy. In effect, they will repossess everything. You will be become a failed state.

 

[zenfisher]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

I wouldn't be surprised if bits and pieces were offered up...Guam, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska...China is growing they'll want land.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

When China comes to collect their debt...What are they going to repossess ?

It ain't gonna be that crappy little Texas pig farm that Bush likes to pretend is a ranch. They won't actually repossess anything. What they will do is destroy your economy. In effect, they will repossess everything. You will be become a failed state.

that is the scary part. And unfortunately the way bush spends, borrows, and spends some more..... this is their achilles heel. ( money /currency management has always been the US weakness. Spend like there is no tomorrow.

who else does the US owe money to???

( I know this is off topic a bit......but am interested.... )

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not

I wouldn't be surprised if bits and pieces were offered up...Guam, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska...China is growing they'll want land.

THAT would make sense. And as you say, China is growing and is over populated as it is..... Hmmm..

Would these pieces be offered up........or taken ..??

 

[zenfisher]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

I believe Japan and Saudi Arabia...possibly Kuwait...I can't remember al of the debts...or if they are even current.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not

I believe Japan and Saudi Arabia...possibly Kuwait...I can't remember al of the debts...or if they are even current.

thanks zen. Should do some research on it. It gets quite complicated , doesn't it??

 

[zenfisher]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Yup...There are probably quite a few more...It wouldn't surprise me if Venezuela was in their too. That would certainly explain some things.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

The US is more indebted to Kuwait than to Saudi Arabia. Even Canada. Telus is 75% owned by Kuwait.

 

[zenfisher]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Yeah...but I thought I heard about some shady "debt payments " after the first gulf war. I can't remember the source...

 

[Ten Packs]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

"Civil disobedience" is now TREASON?

So she didn't have a "permit" - well, tough titty! I'm guessing you're not very old, James - or you would know better

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

The way I see it is a bit different. I was in Kuwait and I seen the place.

The way I see it is like this: The first Gulf War was created by the US and invited Mr. Hussein (the US friend at the time) to invade Kuwait knowing full well that the Iraqis will loot the place and Kuwait will be in need to be rebuilt.

Shortly after the first Gulf war, the US of Arrogance supplied the kuwaitis with everything from cars to fridges to computers.

Why? to lessen their debt to this small country. But all of that is small in comparison to their debt then and the current debt now.

 

[Ten Packs]

Re: RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

Telus is 75% owned by Kuwait.

I'd like a link for that..... :?

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

The way I see it is like this: The first Gulf War was created by the US and invited Mr. Hussein (the US friend at the time) to invade Kuwait knowing full well that the Iraqis will loot the place and Kuwait will be in need to be rebuilt.

Hard to prove....Likely....but hard to prove. I still think Hussein was a loose cannon, that they (CIA) couldn't quite figure out. With Daddy Bush coming from the CIA before being Prez at the time of the war ....the truth will probably never be known in our lifetimes. Its funny how all this shit keeps coming back to when Papa Bush was in the CIA.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

Hussein was and is a loose cannon. The question is why Bush daddy didn't get him the first time. His army was few miles from his palace.

Bush the father was a prez at the time of the first gulf war and before that was the VP. Now what I stated is hard to prove, their war is even harder to prove. Liberate Kuwait after telling Hussein through their Ambassador to Iraq that this is a Arab issue and the US does not interfere in regional matters.

It was the sign for their puppet at that time (Hussein) to take revenge and restore his 19th province. He wasn't aware that the Americans were setting the trap for him.

And the story still unfolds. The Bush family is worse than Hussein a million times. Dirty bastards, baby killers, Hitler friends.

 

[zenfisher]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

This goes much further back than the gulf war. It goes back to when he was head of the CIA ( I can't remember now...I think it was under Ford and Nixon.) The destabilization of the region drove up the oil, which of course, the Bush family is deeply entrenched in. The make believe Oil Crisis in the seventies to add to rise of the price of oil, to destabilize the Carter administration. This manipulation has been going on for a very long time.

As far as Hussein goes. He's crazy not stupid. He had several palaces and the US could never pin down where he really was.

 

[no1important]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

Peace Mom' Sheehan to release book

FORT WORTH, Texas -- After spending scorching August days with hundreds of war protesters at her makeshift camp near President Bush's Crawford ranch, Cindy Sheehan slipped away each night to her tent or RV for a few quiet moments on her laptop.

The words came easily as she opined about the war, U.S. leaders, her critics, her supporters. And the tears started to flow no matter how many times she wrote about her 24-year-old soldier son Casey, who died in Iraq last year.

I really hope it does well and opens some eyes. I intend to buy it whenever it comes out. She is a great person for taking the stand, she did and standing up to the thugs that want her quiet.

 

[zenfisher]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Its hard not to admire someone who stands up to the status quo. She could have taken the easy route and mourned in silence...but it takes real guts to stand up and try to affect a change.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

Peace Mom' Sheehan to release book

FORT WORTH, Texas -- After spending scorching August days with hundreds of war protesters at her makeshift camp near President Bush's Crawford ranch, Cindy Sheehan slipped away each night to her tent or RV for a few quiet moments on her laptop.

The words came easily as she opined about the war, U.S. leaders, her critics, her supporters. And the tears started to flow no matter how many times she wrote about her 24-year-old soldier son Casey, who died in Iraq last year.

I really hope it does well and opens some eyes. I intend to buy it whenever it comes out. She is a great person for taking the stand, she did and standing up to the thugs that want her quiet.

thanks for the heads up on this book. Will be buying it too. And yes .......it took a lot of courage, passion , devotion and persevernce & genuine LOVE to do what she did ......and to continue . She apparently lost favor with family members etc who would have preferred her to remain silent......