Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guilty

[I think not]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

sorry. ITN

using the "hate speach "tactic does not fly in a debate.

You're right, especially when YOUR government doesn't know about it.

Where is you sense of humility that you think you are better than 300 million people? And I mean YOU, not Canadians.

As far as Cindy goes, I support her cause, thanks to her, she got a little movement going, but she didn't get a permit and she got busted for it.

Of course the extreme left (in this case) has to play politics and propaganda with it. Nothing new here.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Of course the extreme left (in this case) has to play politics and propaganda with it. Nothing new here.

agree. Seems that just about everything is "politicized" now.

and ever so polarized too.

Where is you sense of humility that you think you are better than 300 million people? And I mean YOU, not Canadians.

that is a personal attack......and out of line. :x :x

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

<snip ... posted to mod forum. Cosmo>

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

Forget about nero. People can read.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Of course the extreme left (in this case) has to play politics and propaganda with it. Nothing new here.

agree. Seems that just about everything is "politicized" now.

and ever so polarized too.

Where is you sense of humility that you think you are better than 300 million people? And I mean YOU, not Canadians.

that is a personal attack......and out of line. :x :x

No it's not. Sometimes the truth hurts.

 

[I think not]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Where is you sense of humility that you think you are better than 300 million people? And I mean YOU, not Canadians.
that is a personal attack......and out of line. :x :x

The only thing that is out of line is your uncontrollable urge to bash Americans, NOT the USG, because I can care less what you have to say about Bush and his cronies.

And you even have every right to bash Americans, but don't think I won't respond to it, when I'm around that is.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Of course the extreme left (in this case) has to play politics and propaganda with it. Nothing new here.

agree. Seems that just about everything is "politicized" now.

and ever so polarized too.

Where is you sense of humility that you think you are better than 300 million people? And I mean YOU, not Canadians.

that is a personal attack......and out of line. :x :x

No it's not. Sometimes the truth hurts.

:laughing3: :laughing4: :laughing5: :laughing6: :laughing7:

who's "truth"??? Yours??? :laughing4: :laughing5:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Where is you sense of humility that you think you are better than 300 million people? And I mean YOU, not Canadians.
that is a personal attack......and out of line. :x :x

The only thing that is out of line is your uncontrollable urge to bash Americans, NOT the USG, because I can care less what you have to say about Bush and his cronies.

And you even have every right to bash Americans, but don't think I won't respond to it, when I'm around that is.

ok........sometimes it is hard to find the correct phrasing to include bush followers without using " americans" in general. Let me think on that one. Because I too am not comfortable generalizing all Americans into one category......either.

bushamericans??? bush followers??? It is them along with the bush regime that is not worthy of any respect. ....as things stand now. Things could change.... and hopefully they will

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

bushamericans??? bush followers??? It is them along with the bush regime that is not worthy of any respect. ....as things stand now. Things could change.... and hopefully they will

Harrrumph ... in case you forget Ocean, the President was fairly elected twice by the US population. On the last election he garnered over 50% of the vote and great majority of the states. Are you saying that over half of all Americans are not worthy of respect. In the south where the Republican vote is higher, are you saying that 70% of southerners are not worthy of respect?

That is an awful statement to make.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

Forget about the votes. Anyone who is supporting him now is not worthy of respect. As for bush himself, he never really earned any respect. He is too frecking dumb to be respected.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

bushamericans??? bush followers??? It is them along with the bush regime that is not worthy of any respect. ....as things stand now. Things could change.... and hopefully they will

Harrrumph ... in case you forget Ocean, the President was fairly elected twice by the US population. On the last election he garnered over 50% of the vote and great majority of the states. Are you saying that over half of all Americans are not worthy of respect. In the south where the Republican vote is higher, are you saying that 70% of southerners are not worthy of respect?

That is an awful statement to make.

that might well be the case.......but that is how it is. You keep referring to the fact that he was fairly elected and all that blah blah stuff. What matters is that both elections were "suspect".......and no one had the integrety to examine that or investigate it properly. And yes.......the fact that not only once but TWICE the "americans" voted in this warmonger ,lying , psychopathic criminal.......makes one lose all respect for america. AS long as your gov't insists on warring and interfering in areas where it is not wanted and is not asked......then it seems most of the world has no respect for bush and his followers. Have you not read that the current meetings bush is in......(on his current travels) are just going through the motions with more nations standing up to bush.....politely, diplomatically and firmly. Not the way bush handles things. Bush is a toxin to the planet now.....and so are his followers. Take that little truth and ponder it.

 

[Cosmo]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Nascar ... You do keep mentioning Bush was elected by the people. I'm afraid I'm quite blonde when it comes to American politics, but it seems your system down there doesn't truly reflect the majority. Seems it leans a little toward those with money. It's not worth my time to go through and find all the supporting proof, but that's my feeling.

The only hope and comfort I can find is in believing that people either made a mistake voting that man in or the system is flawed. I can't bring myself to truly believe an entire country would vote in someone of Bush's low character.

I've always like Michael Moore, but have viewed his works with the knowledge that it is entirely one sided. After seeing "Fahrenheit 911" I really thought it was slanted. No one could be that moronic and be the president. Since viewing that film, I have watched carefully, even searched right wing sites, for anything that counters those images. I have found nothing.

Perhaps you can supply me with a site I can visit that has a right wing bias so that I can see the other side of the coin? One that explains why Bush treated Sheehan like he has? One that doesn't make him look like a complete idiot? I'm big on looking at things from every angle, but it seems the angle that makes Bush look good is difficult to find while things that make him look bad abound.

This Sheehan situation does that in spades. How can you convince me of two things: One, that the war in Iraq was just and right. Two, that Sheehan was treated fairly by Bush.

It's an honest effort to understand your side of things and an opportunity for you to provide facts that could change the opinion of some people. I am disgusted by Bush, but I would love to find a reason to not hate him. The idea of a country as powerful as the US being led by a tempermental child scares the crap out of me. I'd much rather believe the man is maligned for no reason or just misunderstood. I'm not invested in hating Bush, but the more I see the less I can excuse him.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Nascar ... You do keep mentioning Bush was elected by the people. I'm afraid I'm quite blonde when it comes to American politics, but it seems your system down there doesn't truly reflect the majority. Seems it leans a little toward those with money. It's not worth my time to go through and find all the supporting proof, but that's my feeling.

The only hope and comfort I can find is in believing that people either made a mistake voting that man in or the system is flawed. I can't bring myself to truly believe an entire country would vote in someone of Bush's low character.

I've always like Michael Moore, but have viewed his works with the knowledge that it is entirely one sided. After seeing "Fahrenheit 911" I really thought it was slanted. No one could be that moronic and be the president. Since viewing that film, I have watched carefully, even searched right wing sites, for anything that counters those images. I have found nothing.

Perhaps you can supply me with a site I can visit that has a right wing bias so that I can see the other side of the coin? One that explains why Bush treated Sheehan like he has? One that doesn't make him look like a complete idiot? I'm big on looking at things from every angle, but it seems the angle that makes Bush look good is difficult to find while things that make him look bad abound.

This Sheehan situation does that in spades. How can you convince me of two things: One, that the war in Iraq was just and right. Two, that Sheehan was treated fairly by Bush.

It's an honest effort to understand your side of things and an opportunity for you to provide facts that could change the opinion of some people. I am disgusted by Bush, but I would love to find a reason to not hate him. The idea of a country as powerful as the US being led by a tempermental child scares the crap out of me. I'd much rather believe the man is maligned for no reason or just misunderstood. I'm not invested in hating Bush, but the more I see the less I can excuse him.

Cosmo, I guess a lot of it has to do with the social climate in the area I live in. I live in a climate where the President is very popular no matter what his actions (although they are good for the most part). Folks here always vote Republican.

Many folks here see the President as someone who is doing an outstanding job of protecting the American people (and he has) against any future 911 type attacks.

Another factor that favors the President is patriotism. Most of the folks who enlist in the armed forces are supporters of the Republican party and very patriotic.

In regards to seeing the right wing moderate point of view, I generally get my national news source from USA Today. I also read Fox News and MSNBC.

 

[Cosmo]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Cosmo, I guess a lot of it has to do with the social climate in the area I live in. I live in a climate where the President is very popular no matter what his actions (although they are good for the most part). Folks here always vote Republican.

Many folks here see the President as someone who is doing an outstanding job of protecting the American people (and he has) against any future 911 type attacks.

Another factor that favors the President is patriotism. Most of the folks who enlist in the armed forces are supporters of the Republican party and very patriotic.

In regards to seeing the right wing moderate point of view, I generally get my national news source from USA Today. I also read Fox News and MSNBC.

Fair enough, Nascar. My take on your reply is that it is largely opinion, which is valid. But it in no way helps me to understand how the hell the US citizens put up with that guy. He ain't no genius, that one.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Cosmo, I guess a lot of it has to do with the social climate in the area I live in. I live in a climate where the President is very popular no matter what his actions (although they are good for the most part). Folks here always vote Republican.

Many folks here see the President as someone who is doing an outstanding job of protecting the American people (and he has) against any future 911 type attacks.

Another factor that favors the President is patriotism. Most of the folks who enlist in the armed forces are supporters of the Republican party and very patriotic.

In regards to seeing the right wing moderate point of view, I generally get my national news source from USA Today. I also read Fox News and MSNBC.

Fair enough, Nascar. My take on your reply is that it is largely opinion, which is valid. But it in no way helps me to understand how the hell the US citizens put up with that guy. He ain't no genius, that one.

if I may interject......... IMHO.....it is more emotional. Who ever supports bush either LIKES him , likes his style, likes the patriotism card he plays...... and so they are not going to spend time examining his performance with a "critical" eye. they are a group that is inclined to FOLLOW along but not do much critical thinking. Herd mentality comes into play too. Most likely the Party matters more than the person. Once a republican , always a republican. kind of thing. -----and it gets to be generational ..


the problem I have is......how can they so blindly support an invasion that was so unnec. The whole Iraq issue could have been handled so much more intelligently. ( and that is your point , isn't it ........that intelligence factor..(lack of);-)


just random thoughts.....on a quiet Sat evening..;-)

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

Cosmo, I guess a lot of it has to do with the social climate in the area I live in. I live in a climate where the President is very popular no matter what his actions (although they are good for the most part). Folks here always vote Republican.

Many folks here see the President as someone who is doing an outstanding job of protecting the American people (and he has) against any future 911 type attacks.

Another factor that favors the President is patriotism. Most of the folks who enlist in the armed forces are supporters of the Republican party and very patriotic.

In regards to seeing the right wing moderate point of view, I generally get my national news source from USA Today. I also read Fox News and MSNBC.

Fair enough, Nascar. My take on your reply is that it is largely opinion, which is valid. But it in no way helps me to understand how the hell the US citizens put up with that guy. He ain't no genius, that one.

He's simply a likeable figure to many of us, Cosmo. He's one who will not change his mind on issues. He will stay with his convictions and not flip-flop. Also, another reason he is popular and has great respect amungst many of us is the way he went after the terrorists after 9/11. A lot of us will not soon forget how he made them pay for what they did.

It's a shame though that many Canadians do not see him for the leader he is. I mean how can you blame a president who went after Saddam (which by the way was a good thing) based on intelligence reports from many agencies around the globe. This was not soley US based intelligence.

 

[Cosmo]

RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

That's how it does look, Ocean. I don't comprehend that. No matter what party I align myself with, I am aware of the down side of it as well as the postive aspects and try to make an informed choice.

It does confuse me that the Americans just blindly follow this guy. They are not stupid people. They are educated. How can they not look at both sides? And if they do, why is there not information out there to counter the stuff people like Moore is putting out?

It seems odd to me.

 

[I think not]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

if I may interject......... IMHO.....it is more emotional. Who ever supports bush either LIKES him , likes his style, likes the patriotism card he plays...... and so they are not going to spend time examining his performance with a "critical" eye. they are a group that is inclined to FOLLOW along but not do much critical thinking. Herd mentality comes into play too.


the problem I have is......how can they so blindly support an invasion that was so unnec. The whole Iraq issue could have been handled so much more intelligently. ( and that is your point , isn't it ........that intelligence factor..(lack of);-)


just random thoughts.....on a quiet Sat evening..;-)

He plays the religious card Ocean. That's how he got elected the 2nd time around. He sits and publicly prays in official state functions. I imagine he's praying for his soul, he sure as hell ain't praying for mine or those serving abroad.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Cindy Sheehan ... Mor

That's how it does look, Ocean. I don't comprehend that. No matter what party I align myself with, I am aware of the down side of it as well as the postive aspects and try to make an informed choice.

It does confuse me that the Americans just blindly follow this guy. They are not stupid people. They are educated. How can they not look at both sides? And if they do, why is there not information out there to counter the stuff people like Moore is putting out?

It seems odd to me.

it is quite strange indeed. One thing I forgot to mention : LOYALTY........ It is so evident that bush expects, demands loyalty.......so questioning him might make many very uneasy. He is too quick to generalize his critics into very negative terms. Something an intelligent,sophisticated leader would never do.


He does play the "likeability" card.....and can pull it off for many. But over all.......it is simplistic at best.

 

[Cosmo]

Re: Cindy Sheehan ... More of Her Lunacy ... Pleads Not Guil

He's simply a likeable figure to many of us, Cosmo. He's one who will not change his mind on issues. He will stay with his convictions and not flip-flop. Also, another reason he is popular and has great respect amungst many of us is the way he went after the terrorists after 9/11. A lot of us will not soon forget how he made them pay for what they did.

It's a shame though that many Canadians do not see him for the leader he is. I mean how can you blame a president who went after Saddam (which by the way was a good thing) based on intelligence reports from many agencies around the globe. This was not soley US based intelligence.

Thanks, Nascar. That's exactly the kind of explanation I was hoping for. It helps, a little, but I'm still confused on it.

"Likeable" ... as in personable? He isn't articulate, doesn't have much of a sense of humour, makes all kinds of faux pas in his speeches. I really don't get what is to like. He's got that "good ole boy" thing going on, but that is good for a neighbour at a block party, not a world power.

As for the 9/11 ... maybe I'm confused, but Saddam had nothing to do with that. The two aren't related. Saddam is a bad guy. No argument there. But he's never attacked the US. In fact, the US once supplied him with weapons. Why the big change of heart? It was Bin Laden that was behind 9/11 so why didn't he go after him???

As for making anyone pay ... seems like an awful lot of innocents paid a price for a few zealots. It just does not add up. I'm no political wizard, but I'm not exactly a dummy either and I can't follow his logic.