Church & State
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Clever rejoinder, R. Next time, read the whole post before commenting on what you think I said. I'm not disputing whether or not the gates were called eyes... I just said I like the idea of humbleness.
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It's amazing how hypocritical that sounds. Christians are more critical of how people (for example, people like me) live their lives. You can be damn well sure that I'm going to be critical of people who shove their beliefs down my throat and down the throat of my government.
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It's amazing how hypocritical that sounds. Christians are more critical of how people (for example, people like me) live their lives. You can be damn well sure that I'm going to be critical of people who shove their beliefs down my throat and down the throat of my government.
And I'm saying that you chosen to believe a convenient myth.
Kinda makes you want to sing a John Lennon song, doesn't doesn't it? "The way things been goin'..."
How is that hypocritical, Andem?
I've never tried to shove my beliefs down anyone's throat. As a Christian, I have my Church. As a voting Canadian I have my state. I don't see this as an "us vs. them" issue.
People like you, (for example) are welcomed in my church (which is one of the more conservative denominations). People like you (for example) are welcome in the church I grew up in.
How are Christians more critical? Do you have charts and graphs to back that statement... or are you just making a generalized statement?
I've never tried to shove my beliefs down anyone's throat. As a Christian, I have my Church. As a voting Canadian I have my state. I don't see this as an "us vs. them" issue.
People like you, (for example) are welcomed in my church (which is one of the more conservative denominations). People like you (for example) are welcome in the church I grew up in.
How are Christians more critical? Do you have charts and graphs to back that statement... or are you just making a generalized statement?
And your book says something else. This is kind of like that kill/murder thing from earlier today, or the man who sent me the e-mail saying that I was going to hell for backing Hugo Chavez.
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It may be like the "kill/murder" thing from earlier. It all smacks of arguing semantics to me.
Just like Canadian law differentiates between various types of murder, why do you not think the Bible does, too?
Oh, right... "a man" sends you an e-mail, and all Christians are judgemental.Reverend Blair said:
It may be like the "kill/murder" thing from earlier. It all smacks of arguing semantics to me.
Just like Canadian law differentiates between various types of murder, why do you not think the Bible does, too?
...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19
I think he was trying to illustrate how with the Lord, all things are not possible...it seems the almighty has a problem with scrap iron go-carts... 
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It's a book that's open to interpretation, Rev. The people who originally wrote it interpreted "god's word" to suit themselves, the people who translated it interpreted that to suit themselves, the people who published it chose interpretations to suit themselves, and the people who read it choose an interpretation that suits them, and then interpret that to suit themselves.
It's a great system.
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It's a book that's open to interpretation, Rev. The people who originally wrote it interpreted "god's word" to suit themselves, the people who translated it interpreted that to suit themselves, the people who published it chose interpretations to suit themselves, and the people who read it choose an interpretation that suits them, and then interpret that to suit themselves.
It's a great system.
Vanni Fucci said:I think he was trying to illustrate how with the Lord, all things are not possible...it seems the almighty has a problem with scrap iron go-carts...
Ah, but he has his reasons, Vanni. Not to mention moving in mysterious ways.
Sorry. Of course I meant 'He'.
Oh, and 'His'.
It's all the same thing...people interpreting some dusty old book to mean whatever they find convenient at the time. I taught my dogs that "Puerto Vallarta" meant "Milk Bone" once. No real reason, except I had a new hat that said Puerto Vallarta on it. To the dogs I am the man in funny hat...kind of like the Pope.
When I wander off for a bit, they do their own interpreting. It's no worse than my interpreting, but it confuses the hell out of innocent bystanders.
Twist that as you may.
All right then... let's have another look-see at the original quote.Vanni Fucci said:I think he was trying to illustrate how with the Lord, all things are not possible...it seems the almighty has a problem with scrap iron go-carts...
Who is "he"? Since it's lower case, I'd say it's referring to Judah, not God. Thus, it would have been possible, but God chose not to oust the valley folk.
First off.... my book isn't dusty.Reverend Blair said:
Biblical Scholars are constantly trying to come up with the best translations for the ancient manuscripts. Sometimes they're a little off, but how is that any different from any other translation? It can be quite hilarious to watch interpreters if you are bilingual. Or turn on the closed-captioning when you're watching TV.... they don't always get it right.
Bottom line, though, you calling a milk bone a "Vallarta" doesn't make it one. No-one's arguing that man is infallible.
Puerto Vallarta. Boutros Boutros Ghalli. They mean whatever I want them to...just like the Bible, or a Chickasaw Mudpuppies tune.
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Deliberately changing the meaning of a word doesn't make me an educator.
Deliberately misinterpreting God's word doesn't make me a Christian.
Not really they don't. You can make any claim you like. You can teach your dogs whatever amuses you. However, those words already have meanings, however much you might like to change them.Reverend Blair said:
Deliberately changing the meaning of a word doesn't make me an educator.
Deliberately misinterpreting God's word doesn't make me a Christian.
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