China take over Canadian natural resource sector

[Hank C Cheyenne]

ummmm...peapod you have done nothing but attack ....why don't you try replyin to my comment....in your own words...

 

[peapod]

Hehehehehehe...you neocons are so obvious, man how to do keep up with it The middle east, latin and south america, and now of course china

China is going to surpass you in super power status, this and only this is your concern. Its about no longer being in control, and your strategic competitor might oust you vulcans to second place

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: China take over Canad

I'll reply, Hank. Your claims that trade with the US is suddenly going to stop if we drop out of NAFTA and expand our trade to include others, such as China, are simply silly, Hank.

The US will continue to trade with us. Trade was growing at a faster rate before the FTA and NAFTA than it has since. We also had a wider variety of trading partners and weren't so completely tied to the US economy. Mulroney signed many of those options away. Harper wants to sign away even more.

I have problems trading with China because of their human rights record and the west's, including Canada's, refusal to make human rights and the environment conditions of trade, but to say that trading with China is wrong because we should only trade with the Americans is ludicrous.

I understand quality of life and all the rest of that. I also understand that the US is not the only game in town.

 

[Colpy]

For once I agree completely with the Rev.

I gotta go to bed now, I must be sick.

 

[Machjo]

It is simple, really.

China is a Fascist, militaristic state on the rise. It is a massive, and growing, powerr in the world, both militarily and economically.

The west needs to isolate China economically, and contain her militarily.

China is NOT our friend.

...this is true and the lefties will ignore this on the forum because they want to isolate the US and the "bad guy"....so they forget about the insane humanrights violations going on in China.... the anti sucession laws and the use of the peoples army against its own people, the internet screening....ect ect

....it is better for Canada economicaly and socially when they US is healthy rather than hoping for China to become our "daddy"....... China can be our friend but we have to understand who's coat tails we rode to success and quality of life.

Greetings from China!

I'm not denying what you're saying in this post, but I suspect you're blowing it right out of proportion in your mind. China is progressing by leaps and bounds, not only economically but socially and spiritually as well.

After all, consider that I'm sending this From China right now.

Explain that now, will you?

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: China take over Canadian natural resource sector

Wow! Can you guys ever extrapolate!

WHERE did I say China was going to invade Canada?

Now, China has a capitalist economy, tightly controled and directed by the Government. It is staunchly nationalist. All media is government controled, as are unions. It is growing its military budget by 15% a year. Dissent is not tolerated.

THAT is the definition of fascism.

China has territorial aspirations in the oil-rich parts of the South China Sea. China threatens the democratic state of Taiwan, and has sabre-rattled against Japan. China wants to dominate the Pacific with her navy.

Name a murder state, from Kim Jong Il's North Korea to Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe, and I'll show you a place where China is deeply involved.

The Chinese Communist regime is the WORST in all the world's sad history. Since Mao took power, as many as 70 million Chinese have met their deaths directly due to government action. Neither Stalin nor Hitler could match that number.

I buy nothing from China.

I urge you to do the same.

I am simply astounded that people (including Stephen Harper) can seriously consider threatening the USA by traking up closer ties with China.

Beyond my understanding.

Just a little factual correction there. The UN itself, along with many Taiwanese, acknowledge that Taiwan is an inseparable part of China! Even the Taiwanese government officially acknowledges it. The issue of couse is that some in the Taiwanese government want to make it an independent country.

Now whether Taiwan ought to be an independent country or not, that is for the Taiwanese people to decide in my opinion, and so won'tr stick my nose in there. Though I'm well aware that even in democratic Taiwan there can sometimes be tangible concequences to expressing a desire to reunite under the mainland flag (again, I'm not taking sides here myself, just expressing facts), even though I'm sure those who'd support this would be few anyway, should they not be free to express that oninion none-the-less? Heck, even I'd be hesitant about Taiwan reuniting under the mainland flag, inasmuch as I can still feel the love the Chinese on both sides of the straight have for the idea of a unified China, as long as they can agree to a flag.

As for China's territorial aspirations, where in the world did you get that idea? And as for not buying anything from China, so what are you advising me to do; starve to death? I live in China! All the food I eat is grown here for crying out loud! And besides, why would you desire to punish the Chinese people for what their government might be doing?

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: China take over Canadian natural resource sector

...ahhh peapod..

...since the industrial revolution the US has lead the world in manufacturing......until around the 70s or 80s when Japan came on the scene..... now China and other countries which are able to manufacture cheap are obviously going to be successful in a globalized world...but whats is your point with China....globalization is something the US is pushing for not fighting against.....peapod your argument is not making any sence.....and do you really think that a US in recession and a powerful China is gonna lead to a better Canada?

....do you know what affects quality of life peapod.....do you know how much of our GDP can be linked to the US...or how much of a trade surplus we run with the US? do you understand what a serious recession will do to the US buying our products.... do you honestly think that China will help prop up Canada economically and that they are still a sea away while the US is our neighbor...... reading extremist poison will not do you good when you are face to face with someone ...it might pass on the internet ....

The world economy is much smaller than you realize, Hank.

The Balkans are far from Canada, yet my father worked there for a while training police officers under a UN mandate, and is now working on a UN security contract in New York. And I'm in China working on various projects as well, mostly in the private sector though. So despite the fact that we were both born in Canada, that's not where we get our bread and butter. If I should have just limited myself to the North American market, I would never have had the opportunities I have today. I go where the demand for my skills calls me and that's that! and there's no way I'll just sit in Canada accepting any menial job when opportunities abroad abound.

You're the type, I'm sure, who'd love to see all kinds of socialist-type programs in place trying to protect jobs for Canadians, oblivious to the fact that Canadians themselves are crawling all over Europe, Asia and other parts of the world seeking the same opportunities immigrants to Canada are going for. I'd hate to live in such a socialist setting where I was imprisonned within my own nation's borders unable to seek opportunities abroad just because some redneck wants to keep all us whites together as one big disfunctional familiy over in Canada. I'd much prefer the free market approach where we're all free hunt out opportunities wherever they are, not cradled in some socialist pamper trying to keep jobs in Canada, thanks.