"Machjo, though I think China has the ability to be a true socialist, or social democratic nation in the future, it however has chosen to take another course."
Whatever system China adopts in future, it will definitely need to promote some kind of spirituality. The main problem in china right now has nothing to do with the government or what political system to adopt, so much as the death of basic virtues among the population (although I'm also witnessing a sort of renaissance among sertain limited circles which will hopefully blow a breath of life in to a future China).
"China often calls itself a nation of two systems that of Communism (sometimes they say socialism) and that of capitalism. Yet what we have seen as of late in China is a type of state Capitalism which Trotsky had prodicted in both China and the soviet union, that where the party because the ruling class or that in itself becomes bourgeois, acts like it and follows in the traditions of it. You may or may not know George Orwell another devoted socialist democratic also in a sence predicked this as well. I think if they were alive they would be amazed at how right they were and how extreme it is. Well the state capitalist system evevoled from the radical days of Mao's cultural revolution where the so called "wokers vanguard" (a concept marx himself would have been again) ravaged the land like any little facsist army would killing Communist, socialist and democratic intellecturals and politicians lead into the next phaze which started in the 80's which was the moderations of the party and the elimantion of the radical elemint to make way for the capitalist class to come."
Nothing wrong with a capitalistic system per say; the problem lies in that it has no spirit. It's all about me me me and making a quick buck however, materialism at its best.
"As indestory progressed in Chine by the late 80's Chiness Communist leaders were profitting largely from the gains of slave labour in the factories and the fields but still supported or gave lip service to the aspects of socialism, providing for the people, food, education and so and so forth. By the 90's as some indestries went private Chiness Communist bosses were the first to buy up the indestries and venturers (yeah this makes sence, could you even call the communist party and its members communist or even socialist by this time). Now in the next decade we have a further problem with the advent of capitalism in China and thats the widing gap between the rich and the poor. Those Workers in the so called workers state making next to nothing to make the west cheap sh*t, yet those who call themselves communists privately operating the indestry this is happening in. Economically this is facsism, state controled capitalism."
It is becomming a sort of corporate state, but that is only one element of fascism. Japan is also a corporate stae, but we still wouldn't call it a fascist state either. Now by capitalism being a problem, that depends on what you mean. If you meant a capitalistic system, then no problem. If you meant some kind of dogmatic capitalist ideology, then yes, that could be a problem, but not the biggest one; nationalism is what you'll really want to keep your eyes on.
"There is not one communist, socialist or social democrat dead or alive who would say the communist party of china is anything on the left. In fact, generally the high ranking members of the communist party of china today resemble the conservatives of the west then the Liberals or social democrats. "
Too generalized for me to comment on that.
"Also another indication of facsism is the national "myth" which China clearly has. A menifest dystiny which has clearly been seen over Taiwan and Tibet."
As for taiwan, such a myth is not unique to the mainland (many Taiwanese hope to rejoin the mainland in the future too, albeit after the fall of the communist party). and as for Tibet, here's teh sad truth; generally speaking, the Han want to keep Tibet. If China became a democracy tomorrow and had an election, I can guarantee you taht any party candidate who'd want to win the election would have to assert that tibet is a part of China, full stop. Whether I agree with this or not is not the point. I'm just sayng how it is.
"Though Communists leaders are talking about a return to some of there socialist roots, the fact they actually have to publically talk about this is enough to make me believe it's merely propaganda and the only socialism you will see, or rather capitalism in disguise of socialism is maybe a slighty higher wage."
they're desperate right now. They can see the moral fabric of their society failing, and can't perceive the source. It doesn't matter anymore whetehr they turn to capitalism or socialism; the problem has to do with character first and foremost. With socialism, half the population will just avoid taxes, pay under the table; with capitalism, employers will suck their employees for all they're worth. In the end, if china can bring back its soul, it could succeed under either system. But until then, it will fail under either. The educaiton system needs an overhaul. It focusses too much on just the material. Science, maths, computing, etc. But what about the moral fabric of the population? What about the Confucian ethic? They must bring it back before any system will work.
"Further more, I can think of none of my readings of Lenin, Mao, Marx, Engals or even Stalin which would make China look remotely communist... With my readings of socialist and social democratic theorists, you might say that China believes in socialist-syndicalism
but even that is pushing it way too much. Generally speaking China is a fascist nation with a scoailist facade."
China is neither fascist nor socialist. It calls itself socialist yet it's politically autocratic, economically state capitalistic, philosophically increasingly nationalistic and pragmatically anarchic. The growth of nationism could potentially lead to fascism, but I doubt (hope?) it will never go that far. but as for political theory, China's has bigger problems. Any political system, no matter how well designed it is, must still have the trust and respect of the people. My reference to anarchy refers tot eh complete lack of respect most people have for the law in this country. People will smoke under a non-smoking sign, drive past red lights, jay walk in full front of the police, pay under the table to avoid taxes, bribe people in my face, labour laws are regularly ignored and left unenforced, etc. etc. etc. No system, capitalistic of socialistic, can work under such anarchy. for any system to work, the people must first have some respect for the law.
"I don't know if there's people in China who actually believe in this facade, but I'm sure there are those who just hate the regime and fight against the facade. My only hope in the Communist party of China is that it allows a democracy with a left right split across the party. Perhaps China can inch its way to democracy... "
that's what you don't understand about china. In the west, we will respect a law even if we disagree with it, and then try to change it. In china, if they disagree with the law, they just ignore it and don't obey it, and move on with their lives as if nothin'. As for democracy, you're dreamin'. Even if it di happen, you'd just replace an autocratic nationalist regime with a democratic and perhaps even more dangerously nationalistic regime. Do you really want democracy in China right now? Come to China, get to knwo the culture, and you'll soon realise that democracy isn't a cure all. In some cases, what we have now might be better than democracy. don't forget, democracy is only as good as the will of the people. Remember Hitler was elected?
"Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike China, I'm glade it's emerging as a super power and thus can check the USA somewhat, but it is not some sort of socialist utopia or free market capitalism, but one of state capitalist goals."
I would like to see China as the country of the future, but certainly not as a military superpower.
