Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar
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Venezuelans vote for new congress
a teaser:
Parliamentary elections are taking place in Venezuela, with polls suggesting supporters of President Hugo Chavez will extend their majority.
All five main opposition parties are boycotting the poll, accusing the electoral authorities of bias.
Mr Chavez has condemned the boycott as a Washington-backed plot to destabilise his regime - a charge the US rejected. [/teaser]
Would not surprise me if America is interfering.
What scares America most is if Iran starts selling oil in Euro's instead of USD (like they are threatning to do) that Venezuela will follow suite and all those billions of green backs flooding america will devaluate the USD and cause massive inflation. Chavez would jump on that opportuninty to hurt US economy due to the way US try's to interfer with his country.
Those cheap 4$ slave labour goods, Americans dearly love to buy from walmart would double or triple in price and would go up 5-6 fold if OPEC switched to Euro as well and US Dollar would be worth peanuts. Thats why in Iraq the occupiers starting selling oil in US dollars again instead of Euro that Saddam was selling it under.
a teaser:
Parliamentary elections are taking place in Venezuela, with polls suggesting supporters of President Hugo Chavez will extend their majority.
All five main opposition parties are boycotting the poll, accusing the electoral authorities of bias.
Mr Chavez has condemned the boycott as a Washington-backed plot to destabilise his regime - a charge the US rejected. [/teaser]
Would not surprise me if America is interfering.
What scares America most is if Iran starts selling oil in Euro's instead of USD (like they are threatning to do) that Venezuela will follow suite and all those billions of green backs flooding america will devaluate the USD and cause massive inflation. Chavez would jump on that opportuninty to hurt US economy due to the way US try's to interfer with his country.
Those cheap 4$ slave labour goods, Americans dearly love to buy from walmart would double or triple in price and would go up 5-6 fold if OPEC switched to Euro as well and US Dollar would be worth peanuts. Thats why in Iraq the occupiers starting selling oil in US dollars again instead of Euro that Saddam was selling it under.
It does not matter whether oil is traded in Euros or Dollars. There are exchange rates. A petro dollar can be exchanged for a petro-euro.
Political bias has no comprehension of the macro economics going on here.
De-valuing the Dollar by the way will ruin every nation's exports and will improve American exports.
In fact when Bush let the Dollar slide to help the trade imbalance, Europe and the Saudis fought it and pressured Bush to shore up the Dollar's value.
Political bias has no comprehension of the macro economics going on here.
De-valuing the Dollar by the way will ruin every nation's exports and will improve American exports.
In fact when Bush let the Dollar slide to help the trade imbalance, Europe and the Saudis fought it and pressured Bush to shore up the Dollar's value.
RE: Chavez ... Human Righ
If it were to happen and I say if:
It would be a big deal for the US, very big deal indeed. If oil were being traded in Euros today, the prices of oil in the US would be astronomical. Since the US dollar is the standard currency (for now) price fluxuations are done with the US $. If it were done in Euros the US would lose the competitive advantage, and easily the international currency of choice would be the Euro. A even bigger worry for the US would be the anticipated Pan-Islamic currency that is currently being touted by Malaysia.
A link on this issue
A teaser:
"Otherwise, the effect of an OPEC switch to the euro would be that oil-consuming nations would have to flush dollars out of their (central bank) reserve funds and replace these with euros. The dollar would crash anywhere from 20-40% in value and the consequences would be those one could expect from any currency collapse and massive inflation (think Argentina currency crisis, for example). You'd have foreign funds stream out of the U.S. stock markets and dollar denominated assets, there'd surely be a run on the banks much like the 1930s, the current account deficit would become unserviceable, the budget deficit would go into default, and so on. Your basic 3rd world economic crisis scenario.
"The United States economy is intimately tied to the dollar's role as reserve currency. This doesn't mean that the U.S. couldn't function otherwise, but that the transition would have to be gradual to avoid such dislocations (and the ultimate result of this would probably be the U.S. and the E.U. switching roles in the global economy)."
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If it were to happen and I say if:
It would be a big deal for the US, very big deal indeed. If oil were being traded in Euros today, the prices of oil in the US would be astronomical. Since the US dollar is the standard currency (for now) price fluxuations are done with the US $. If it were done in Euros the US would lose the competitive advantage, and easily the international currency of choice would be the Euro. A even bigger worry for the US would be the anticipated Pan-Islamic currency that is currently being touted by Malaysia.
A link on this issue
A teaser:
"Otherwise, the effect of an OPEC switch to the euro would be that oil-consuming nations would have to flush dollars out of their (central bank) reserve funds and replace these with euros. The dollar would crash anywhere from 20-40% in value and the consequences would be those one could expect from any currency collapse and massive inflation (think Argentina currency crisis, for example). You'd have foreign funds stream out of the U.S. stock markets and dollar denominated assets, there'd surely be a run on the banks much like the 1930s, the current account deficit would become unserviceable, the budget deficit would go into default, and so on. Your basic 3rd world economic crisis scenario.
"The United States economy is intimately tied to the dollar's role as reserve currency. This doesn't mean that the U.S. couldn't function otherwise, but that the transition would have to be gradual to avoid such dislocations (and the ultimate result of this would probably be the U.S. and the E.U. switching roles in the global economy)."
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Unfortunately, hurting the value of the Dollar involves hurting yourself to do it.
If this were not so, then the nations of the world would have already done it.
But macro economics dictates an upside and downside for any change in value.
Europe joins together when the value of the Dollar plummets. It hurts their exports to America.
Despite the prejudice towards consumerism, it is exactly American consumption and its traditionally low savings rate that keeps the global economy floating and is greatly advancing the economy of China.
You can rejoice at killing the value of the Dollar, but then I'm not sure what you know about world trade and world finance.
Political prejudice tends to discount the laws of economics and that's why you see all the entitlement programs in the entire Western Democratic world in trouble.
If this were not so, then the nations of the world would have already done it.
But macro economics dictates an upside and downside for any change in value.
Europe joins together when the value of the Dollar plummets. It hurts their exports to America.
Despite the prejudice towards consumerism, it is exactly American consumption and its traditionally low savings rate that keeps the global economy floating and is greatly advancing the economy of China.
You can rejoice at killing the value of the Dollar, but then I'm not sure what you know about world trade and world finance.
Political prejudice tends to discount the laws of economics and that's why you see all the entitlement programs in the entire Western Democratic world in trouble.
Not in the case of oil-rich countries. In fact a switch to the more stable Euro would arguably benefit them because they get the same price no matter what, but import a lot of goods from the USA.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/12/04/venezuela-051204.html
Chevez's popularity continues to increase.... current poll ..
He seems very clever..
Chevez's popularity continues to increase.... current poll ..
He seems very clever..
So clever that all the liberals of the world will embrace the abolishment of a 2 term limit on his Presidency.
Imagine Clinton or Bush seeking to abolish term limits ?
Omigod.
Imagine Clinton or Bush seeking to abolish term limits ?
Omigod.
No term limits for the executive is eventually a recipe for disaster.
What if Bush had a 3rd term ? You guys would properly go ballistic, and so would I.
But the least important matter of a democracy is majority rule.
Digest that one for a little bit. Look to your own constitution ---let alone ours--- that puts as many checks on the branches of government as it does on the tyranny of mob rule.
What if Bush had a 3rd term ? You guys would properly go ballistic, and so would I.
But the least important matter of a democracy is majority rule.
Digest that one for a little bit. Look to your own constitution ---let alone ours--- that puts as many checks on the branches of government as it does on the tyranny of mob rule.
I know you don't have term limits. You probably should have at least a 12 year term limit and in some ways your tradition there is sort of a term limit in itself AND in addition to TERM LIMITS keeping your parliamentary Vote of Confidence procedure would still be an additional check I'd like to have here.
But your man has no procedure for a Vote of Confidence, does he?
But your man has no procedure for a Vote of Confidence, does he?
Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar
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Why do you bring the same misinformation to a second thread when it was made very clear to you already. What do you not understand about the following --
"Chavez himself proposed the idea of a presidential referendum midway through the term and had constantly voiced it as the constitutional way to remove him. Such a referendum was written as a cornerstone of the power of the People over government. The American-backed opposition rejected the idea of the referendum and did everything possible to avoid it: the two-day coup; a two-month lockout/strike by big business and by many well-paid executives and workers in the national petroleum industry; and, millions spent on media campaigns against him."
-- a National referendum is the ultimate vote of non-confidence and Chavez subjected himself to it. Such a referendum is actioned by a petition of 15% of the voting public.
jimmoyer said:
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Why do you bring the same misinformation to a second thread when it was made very clear to you already. What do you not understand about the following --
"Chavez himself proposed the idea of a presidential referendum midway through the term and had constantly voiced it as the constitutional way to remove him. Such a referendum was written as a cornerstone of the power of the People over government. The American-backed opposition rejected the idea of the referendum and did everything possible to avoid it: the two-day coup; a two-month lockout/strike by big business and by many well-paid executives and workers in the national petroleum industry; and, millions spent on media campaigns against him."
-- a National referendum is the ultimate vote of non-confidence and Chavez subjected himself to it. Such a referendum is actioned by a petition of 15% of the voting public.
PoisonPete2 ??? !!!
Sheesh.
Your man of the people did subject himself to a referendum. Very True.
It is also very true he is switching gears, and very desirous of a term to the year 2030.
You did the Google, and saw those articles. And you characterized each link as mis-information??
But you did not research this in established respected newspapers. You're not as fair-minded as you think.
He pondered about wanting to resign by 2021, but the assembly has signaled its intention of magnaminously offerring him a term to 2030 and it appears he's not going to refuse. This is almost tongue and cheek.
If you continue characterizing this as mis-information then you and me should discontinue talking.
I'm learning a few things from the Chavez love fest here and I can see why you guys are so vigorous in your support of him. A lot of interesting and beneficial points on his behalf are being made.
We can have fundamental disagreements and in this disagreement, we might both learn something.
Sheesh.
Your man of the people did subject himself to a referendum. Very True.
It is also very true he is switching gears, and very desirous of a term to the year 2030.
You did the Google, and saw those articles. And you characterized each link as mis-information??
But you did not research this in established respected newspapers. You're not as fair-minded as you think.
He pondered about wanting to resign by 2021, but the assembly has signaled its intention of magnaminously offerring him a term to 2030 and it appears he's not going to refuse. This is almost tongue and cheek.
If you continue characterizing this as mis-information then you and me should discontinue talking.
I'm learning a few things from the Chavez love fest here and I can see why you guys are so vigorous in your support of him. A lot of interesting and beneficial points on his behalf are being made.
We can have fundamental disagreements and in this disagreement, we might both learn something.
The last question is an example of how it can be used to cast a shadow of doubt and extremely unfair.
I talked to another poster who was accused by question and innuendo of the same thing, just because he disagreed with the righteous on this board.
Like I've said before, they probably got a file on me, having been a McGovern and Eugene McCarthy anti-war protester and later a streaker in the 70s and the naked truth is I am using my real name, my real location, neither of which you're doing.
By the way PoisonPete2, you might like this article:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18302[/url]
I talked to another poster who was accused by question and innuendo of the same thing, just because he disagreed with the righteous on this board.
Like I've said before, they probably got a file on me, having been a McGovern and Eugene McCarthy anti-war protester and later a streaker in the 70s and the naked truth is I am using my real name, my real location, neither of which you're doing.
By the way PoisonPete2, you might like this article:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18302[/url]
www.analitica.com/bitblioteca/hchavez /cadena20010615.asp.
When he takes over all the private television stations for a talk—forming a "national network"—he is usually on his own:
Hello, my friends! A very good evening to you. National network. No time limits. We've gone back to the original strategy. We'd made a change, a curveball on the outside corner for a few weeks with the Thursday national networks, but no, tonight we're going back to the original pitch; that is, whenever it's convenient, every time it's convenient. It could be one national network a week, or three or four a week, according to the dynamic of events. Or once a month. We'll see. We'll evaluate as we go according to what might be happening in Venezuela and the world. And also, no time limit. It's nine fifteen, and I think we'll end around midnight.
When he takes over all the private television stations for a talk—forming a "national network"—he is usually on his own:
Hello, my friends! A very good evening to you. National network. No time limits. We've gone back to the original strategy. We'd made a change, a curveball on the outside corner for a few weeks with the Thursday national networks, but no, tonight we're going back to the original pitch; that is, whenever it's convenient, every time it's convenient. It could be one national network a week, or three or four a week, according to the dynamic of events. Or once a month. We'll see. We'll evaluate as we go according to what might be happening in Venezuela and the world. And also, no time limit. It's nine fifteen, and I think we'll end around midnight.
http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGPOL305032004
In Venezuela, journalists are being caught in the line of fire, according to the General Secretary of the IFJ, Aidan White. Over three days at the beginning of March, the IFJ reports that two cameramen were shot, a photographer was injured by rubber bullets and two other reporters were hit by tear gas and sharp items. They also report that a female journalist was assaulted and received death threats and two other journalists were stripped of their equipment and then punched by government supporters.
Amnesty International has criticized the Venezuelan government for failing to effectively investigate incidents of political violence attributed to both government and opposition supporters. "The impunity enjoyed by the perpetrators encourages further human rights violations in a particularly volatile political climate."
In Venezuela, journalists are being caught in the line of fire, according to the General Secretary of the IFJ, Aidan White. Over three days at the beginning of March, the IFJ reports that two cameramen were shot, a photographer was injured by rubber bullets and two other reporters were hit by tear gas and sharp items. They also report that a female journalist was assaulted and received death threats and two other journalists were stripped of their equipment and then punched by government supporters.
Amnesty International has criticized the Venezuelan government for failing to effectively investigate incidents of political violence attributed to both government and opposition supporters. "The impunity enjoyed by the perpetrators encourages further human rights violations in a particularly volatile political climate."