(CC) NAFTA is a failure

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: (CC) NAFTA is a failure

Bluealberta

Here's to you friend! You should be happy living in the tax-free land of petroleum and Ralph Klein...

It's difficult to translate or understand for that matter that there are huge numbers of people in Canada that don't benefit from the numbers game most often cited in support of NAFTA.

Alberta is o course a different story...

Well, I can only go with what I know, but I will say that other provinces have had the same opportunities to develop trade with the US a-la Alberta, but for whatever reasons have decided not to.

But we are not tax free, just sales tax free, and a really low personal income tax rate. As far as the ROC benifitting from NAFTA, I have to point out here that the tax revenues from Alberta, plus the transfer payments, go towards helping all of Canada, so what is in Alberta's best interest is also generally in Canada's best interest.

But yes, I am happy here in the best province in the country. :wink:

 

[BitWhys]

RE: (CC) NAFTA is a failu

Think about it, BA.

The day the Americans slap an import tax on Canadian gasoline is the day the rabble storm the castle.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: (CC) NAFTA is a failu

Think about it, BA.

The day the Americans slap an import tax on Canadian gasoline is the day the rabble storm the castle.

And why would they do that to their biggest supplier of oil outside the US? You may not like them, but they are not stupid.

 

[BitWhys]

Re: RE: (CC) NAFTA is a failu

Think about it, BA.

The day the Americans slap an import tax on Canadian gasoline is the day the rabble storm the castle.

And why would they do that to their biggest supplier of oil outside the US? You may not like them, but they are not stupid.

that's what I said.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: (CC) NAFTA is a failu

Think about it, BA.

The day the Americans slap an import tax on Canadian gasoline is the day the rabble storm the castle.

And why would they do that to their biggest supplier of oil outside the US? You may not like them, but they are not stupid.

that's what I said.

:?: :?: :?:

 

[Toro]

Although the raw numbers sound dramatic, compared to the last 40 years, Canada has experienced marginally below average economic growth since the ratification of NAFTA.

Compared to other industrialized countries, Canada's done pretty well actually.

These are the growth rates. This is OECD data in US dollars. Since the dollar strengthened during the 1990s, the GDP growth rates are somewhat skewed. Thus the proper comparison is not Canada's growth compared to other decades but rather Canada's growth compared to other countries.

1990-2000
Australia 0.5%
Canada 0.5%
France -0.6%
Germany -0.6%
Italy -4.0%
Japan 4.4%
Spain -3.0%
Sweden -2.4%
UK 0.8%
USA 3.3%

1995-2003
Australia 2.1%
Canada 3.2%
France 0.4%
Germany -1.0%
Italy 0.8%
Japan -1.7%
Spain 1.4%
Sweden 1.0%
UK 3.2%
USA 3.3%

http://www.oecd.org/document/28/0,2340,en_...1_1_1_1,00.html

The OECD has changed its format since I calculated this a while back, but the data is there and replicable.

But there are many forces buffeting economies, so you cannot isolate NAFTA and use NAFTA as a reason why Canada has outperformed much of the industrialized world. The proper comparison is to isolate the variables and determine what the direct effects of NAFTA were on the Canadian economy. That's why I posted this economic study here.

 

[BitWhys]

RE: (CC) NAFTA is a failu

so you're telling me the rest of the world was more below average than Canada?

 

[I think not]

Canada cannot even sort out its internal trade barriers and problems between provinces. One or two things go wrong with NAFTA and all hell breaks loose. Give your heads a shake.

 

[Said1]

Canada cannot even sort out its internal trade barriers and problems between provinces. One or two things go wrong with NAFTA and all hell breaks loose. Give your heads a shake.

You already said that.


What goes on between states in that resepect?

 

[I think not]

Canada cannot even sort out its internal trade barriers and problems between provinces. One or two things go wrong with NAFTA and all hell breaks loose. Give your heads a shake.

You already said that.


What goes on between states in that resepect?

I know, it bares repeating.

As for the States, there are no limitations.

 

[Said1]

Canada cannot even sort out its internal trade barriers and problems between provinces. One or two things go wrong with NAFTA and all hell breaks loose. Give your heads a shake.

You already said that.


What goes on between states in that resepect?

I know, it bares repeating.

As for the States, there are no limitations.

They don't have their own agreements with one another? Are some things legal in one state but not another? Do you have a link, it would be easier than asking a billion questions.

 

[I think not]

They don't have their own agreements with one another? Are some things legal in one state but not another? Do you have a link, it would be easier than asking a billion questions.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, known as the Commerce Clause, empowers the United States Congress "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."

 

[Said1]

They don't have their own agreements with one another? Are some things legal in one state but not another? Do you have a link, it would be easier than asking a billion questions.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, known as the Commerce Clause, empowers the United States Congress "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."

I was asking about limitations. But my next question was "who regulates?", and you answered that. Thanks.

 

[I think not]

The point was, States do not require trade agreements, since Congress regulates everything, and to this day, there aren't any restrictions in terms of trade, to my knowledge.

 

[BitWhys]

RE: (CC) NAFTA is a failu

"internal trade barriers"????

examples, please?

 

[Said1]

The point was, States do not require trade agreements, since Congress regulates everything, and to this day, there aren't any restrictions in terms of trade, to my knowledge.

I'm was mainly interested in the finer details, such specific regulations and a states involvement in such things. That's why I asked for a link, I wouldn't expect anyone to know off hand. If my third or fourth question was answered prior to me asking and I missed it, then let me just say "WELL, EEEEXCUUUUSE ME".

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: (CC) NAFTA is a failu

"internal trade barriers"????

examples, please?

Too puzzling for you hence the multiple ?????????

Chamber of Commerce - PDF File

 

[I think not]

The point was, States do not require trade agreements, since Congress regulates everything, and to this day, there aren't any restrictions in terms of trade, to my knowledge.

I'm was mainly interested in the finer details, such specific regulations and a states involvement in such things. That's why I asked for a link, I wouldn't expect anyone to know off hand. If my third or fourth question was answered prior to me asking and I missed it, then let me just say "WELL, EEEEXCUUUUSE ME".

My dear Said1, with your illuminating avatars you never have to excuse yourself to me. :wink: *hinting needs to change avatar*

 

[Said1]

The point was, States do not require trade agreements, since Congress regulates everything, and to this day, there aren't any restrictions in terms of trade, to my knowledge.

I'm was mainly interested in the finer details, such specific regulations and a states involvement in such things. That's why I asked for a link, I wouldn't expect anyone to know off hand. If my third or fourth question was answered prior to me asking and I missed it, then let me just say "WELL, EEEEXCUUUUSE ME".

My dear Said1, with your illuminating avatars you never have to excuse yourself to me. :wink: *hinting needs to change avatar*

I just did!

 

[BitWhys]

Re: RE: (CC) NAFTA is a failu

"internal trade barriers"????

examples, please?

Too puzzling for you hence the multiple ?????????

Chamber of Commerce - PDF File

afraid of me so you have to try discourage me with snark remarks?

None of those "internal trade barriers" relate to NAFTA and even if any of those, by definition, "internal trade barriers" are anything more than CEO pet peeves two wrongs don't make a right.