Carolyn Parrish

[Reverend Blair]

She was elected. We don't vote for parties in this country, Just the Facts, we vote for candidates. Parrish ran as a centre-left liberal and won. When it became apparent that the Liberal Party had moved far to the right and wasn't going to allow her to present the views she felt, rightfully, that she had been elected to present, she rebelled against that party.

Who has more of a mandate? Parrish has been saying the same thing all along. Paul Martin ran from the left and is governing from the right.

 

[Andem]

Agree and agree again with you Rev.

I'm sure there will be a huge split in the party, bigger than what we've seen, with Martin in power. I have no doubts Parrish will rejoin the liberal party soon enough. I have no problem with her speaking her mind as she did, everybody is frustrated with the American administrationa and we have a right to be. So does she.

IMHO, the "coalition" is the coalition of idiots.

For the record, she was only kicked out because she made comments about Martin. He can't handle dissent. It's the same with all right-wingers, if there's dissent, you crush it. (Yes, I did refer to Martin as a right-winger).

 

[passpatoo]

Not that it's any real suprise, but I found Harper's reaction to be rather amusing. For days (or weeks) now, he has been harping on Martin in question period to kick Parish out of caucus. And what did he do when Martin did kick her out. Harper harped on Martin for doing that. He plays the partisanship thing pretty close to the numbers this guy.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I would have booted her out too, actually. She told the Liberal leader and the caucus to go to hell and she did it publicly.

I believe parties need some sembance of discipline though or they lose credibility. Paul Martin has said many times that he doesn't believe in that. Given his antics before he left the Chretien government, it seems a little hypocritical that he'd let Parrish go.

 

[vista]

She was elected. We don't vote for parties in this country, Just the Facts, we vote for candidates.

When did this change happen?

Few people know who their candidates are. We vote for either L or C or NDP.

Voter: You are with which party?

 

[Diamond Sun]

Many people do vote for their candidate regardless of party. My brother is an example. He didn't like the liberal party, but really liked his local candidate, and so voted for her. Maybe he's a minority, but it does happen.

 

[Numure]

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Her mandate is perfectly legitimate.

She was elected as a liberal, not a "small L independent". She has no legal obligation, but ironically, at this point, George Bush has a more legitmate mandate than she does. :roll:

We do not vote for parties here. We vote for Candidates.

 

[Numure]

She was elected. We don't vote for parties in this country, Just the Facts, we vote for candidates.

When did this change happen?

Few people know who their candidates are. We vote for either L or C or NDP.

Voter: You are with which party?

Half the Québec population voted for Bloc Candidates knowing they won't be in power. The system, on paper, is voting for candidates, not parties. Though I do agree, the average voter goes for a party.

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Parrish ran as a centre-left liberal and won.

Well then she'll have no trouble being re-elected. Then she'll be free to carry on her course without reproach.

 

[Numure]

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Parrish ran as a centre-left liberal and won.

Well then she'll have no trouble being re-elected. Then she'll be free to carry on her course without reproach.

She shouldnt have any reproach as she still has the same mandate to represent her voters. They voted for her, knowing how she was, not for the party.

 

[Reverend Blair]

She won't have the massive funding of the Liberal Party though, Just the Facts. It's important to keep that funding in mind during an election.

Her candidates knew who they were getting. She had to fight for nomination against one Martin's pets, and she had been outspoken long before the last election. If I knew that way out here in Manitoba, her constituents have no excuse for not knowing.

Those constituents are liable to be better represented now anyway. She was locked out of circles of influence in the Martin government. She would have been lucky to be allowed to stand up and ask a question (likely one written by somebody else) in the House of Commons once a year. Now she gets one question a week.

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Her candidates knew who they were getting.

Yeah, a Liberal party candidate.

They voted for her, knowing how she was, not for the party.

That's an assumption. You can't say she was elected because of who she was, and not because of her party affiliation. That's nonsense, especially in an election that was so highly charged by lefties as "We must keep Harper out!".

Only the voters in her riding can say if they voted for her or her party. Now they should be given the opportunity to reaffirm that choice.

Sheesh, for people who wail about the death of democracy in America, you sure have no probs ignoring it when it suits you.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Just the Facts typed:

That's an assumption. You can't say she was elected because of who she was, and not because of her party affiliation. That's nonsense, especially in an election that was so highly charged by lefties as "We must keep Harper out!".

He ignored that I'd already said,

Her candidates knew who they were getting. She had to fight for nomination against one Martin's pets, and she had been outspoken long before the last election. If I knew that way out here in Manitoba, her constituents have no excuse for not knowing.

They could have put Martin's pet in as candidate, but they didn't. They could have voted for somebody else who wasn;t part of Harper's assault on human decency, but they didn't.

The fact, Just the Facts, is that her constituents voted for Carolyn Parrish. They elected her as their MP over the other candidates.

 

[Just the Facts]

Just the Facts typed:

That's an assumption. You can't say she was elected because of who she was, and not because of her party affiliation. That's nonsense, especially in an election that was so highly charged by lefties as "We must keep Harper out!".

He ignored that I'd already said,

Her candidates knew who they were getting.

Yeah, a Liberal Party Candidate.

They could have put Martin's pet in as candidate, but they didn't. They could have voted for somebody else who wasn;t part of Harper's assault on human decency, but they didn't.

That's so obviously irrelevant I'm not even gonna bother pointing out how irrelevant it is.

The fact, Just the Facts, is that her constituents voted for Carolyn Parrish. They elected her as their MP over the other candidates.

Yeah, as a Liberal Party Candidate. A large L liberal. What's so difficult about that.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Just that it doesn;t match the way our system is supposed to work, the things said by Parrish, other members of the Liberal party, of the press.

Nobody was surprised that Martin kicked her out. Nobody would have been surprised had he kicked her out half way through the election.

 

[grimy]

Those constituents are liable to be better represented now anyway.

Without a doubt that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've read.

Furthermore, I would really appreciate an explanation as to how that's going to happen. ****PERSONAL ATTACK DELETED****

Thank you

 

[Reverend Blair]

Furthermore, I would really appreciate an explanation as to how that's going to happen.

I offered the explanation for that when I wrote the original post when I said,

Those constituents are liable to be better represented now anyway. She was locked out of circles of influence in the Martin government. She would have been lucky to be allowed to stand up and ask a question (likely one written by somebody else) in the House of Commons once a year. Now she gets one question a week.

You tried to pull it out of context, Grimy. Your ploy didn't work.

 

[vista]

In Canada, with few exceptions we vote for the party.

As voters we are either Liberal, Conservative or NDP. Quebecers maybe Bloc - and that demonstrates my point.

 

[TenPenny]

Let me preface this by saying that I am no apologist for GWB; in fact, I doubt he is anything but a puppet run by the hard right loonies.

However, that being said, I am a private citizen. I am free to say these things. If I were an elected representative of the Canadian people, I would NOT be free to speak like that; there are certain expectations for those holding public office, and speaking with some sense of tact and diplomacy is one of them.

Parrish is supposedly a school teacher; I am glad she never taught my daughters. I teach my children to behave with politeness, something she has obviously not learned.

Sheila Copps, when she was on CBC the other morning, was just as bad. She doesn't get it either. Too bad.

 

[vista]

Yes. Sheila is too, an embarrassment.

A couple elections ago, Sheila said she would resign if her party did not scrape the GST. They didn't. She didn't.

However, due to mounting public pressure she reluctantly succumbed to popular opinion. No integrity at all.