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Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hi! Rick van Opbergen

After the 9-11 attack and Bush declared everybody a "terrorist" ... I noticed that Sharon began doing the same thing.
In fact, the Israeli government representatives on American TV kept using the same terms as Bush when referencing the Palestinian conflict.

Each time they compared the US terrorist fears to Israeli fears they always said "we are doing the same thing as Bush is doing".
In these few short years the Jewish folks have managed to brand everyone a terrorist too.

It also has Bush in an awkward situation when world leaders shamed Israel for the attacks from gunships and the Jenin attack

This has carried on to this day.

Which deaths matter?
Study shows Chronicle downplays Palestinian fatalities
By Camille T. Taiara
May 28, 2003

The San Francisco Chronicle is 20 times more likely to report on the deaths of Israeli children killed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict than it is to cover Palestinian children's deaths, a new study shows.

If Americans Knew, a fledgling Berkeley outfit dedicated to disseminating underreported information on Israel and the occupied territories, analyzed the Chronicle's coverage of the region during the first months of the current intifada – a time period the study's researchers chose "because of its significance in forming the context within which all subsequent reporting on the conflict is viewed."

Four Israelis under the age of 18 died as a result of clashes that took place from Sept. 29, 2000, the first day of the uprising, through March 31, 2001, according to the report, the preliminary results of which were released May 21 to both the Chronicle and the Bay Guardian. During that period, it found, the Chronicle reported on those incidences in a headline or a first paragraph five times. The deaths of Palestinian minors received such attention only six times, although 93 were killed in that same time frame.

If Americans Knew based its calculations on figures from Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem, which keeps detailed statistics on deaths resulting from the conflict (see www.btselem.org). B'Tselem and If Americans Knew deem their figures on Palestinian deaths conservative, since they don't include those who died as a result of their inability to access medical care due to Israeli-imposed road closures and curfews.

Among the study's other findings: Israeli deaths made headlines and/or first paragraphs in the Chronicle 72 times, while Palestinian deaths got similar placement 129 times – although a total of 65 Israelis and 343 Palestinians died as a result of the conflict during the six months the study covered.

The Chronicle reported the total death toll from the conflict only 12 times in 251 news articles on the conflict – and not once did it give a breakdown of total Israeli versus total Palestinian deaths. Yet, "during this period, Palestinians were being killed at a rate approximately 5.3 times greater than Israelis," reads the preliminary report.

If Americans Knew founder and executive director Alison Weir spent a month in the West Bank and Gaza in February and March of 2001 before founding If Americans Knew.

Weir explained that the organization chose quantitative standards for the study specifically because the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is so subjective and politically loaded.

"I come [to the issue] with no ethnic, regional, or emotional ties to one side or the other," she said. "If the numbers were equally skewed in the other direction, I'd be equally upset."

Chronicle foreign editor Mark Abel said the paper's staffers hadn't had time to fully review the report and prepare a response.
http://www.sfbg.com/37/35/news_chron.html
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Jul 6, 2004
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Hide-Away Lane, Toronto
Hi! Rick van Opbergen

After the 9-11 attack and Bush declared everybody a "terrorist" ... I noticed that Sharon began doing the same thing.
In fact, the Israeli government representatives on American TV kept using the same terms as Bush when referencing the Palestinian conflict.

Each time they compared the US terrorist fears to Israeli fears they always said "we are doing the same thing as Bush is doing".
In these few short years the Jewish folks have managed to brand everyone a terrorist too.

It also has Bush in an awkward situation when world leaders shamed Israel for the attacks from gunships and the Jenin attack

This has carried on to this day.

Which deaths matter?
Study shows Chronicle downplays Palestinian fatalities
By Camille T. Taiara
May 28, 2003

The San Francisco Chronicle is 20 times more likely to report on the deaths of Israeli children killed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict than it is to cover Palestinian children's deaths, a new study shows.

If Americans Knew, a fledgling Berkeley outfit dedicated to disseminating underreported information on Israel and the occupied territories, analyzed the Chronicle's coverage of the region during the first months of the current intifada – a time period the study's researchers chose "because of its significance in forming the context within which all subsequent reporting on the conflict is viewed."

Four Israelis under the age of 18 died as a result of clashes that took place from Sept. 29, 2000, the first day of the uprising, through March 31, 2001, according to the report, the preliminary results of which were released May 21 to both the Chronicle and the Bay Guardian. During that period, it found, the Chronicle reported on those incidences in a headline or a first paragraph five times. The deaths of Palestinian minors received such attention only six times, although 93 were killed in that same time frame.

If Americans Knew based its calculations on figures from Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem, which keeps detailed statistics on deaths resulting from the conflict (see www.btselem.org). B'Tselem and If Americans Knew deem their figures on Palestinian deaths conservative, since they don't include those who died as a result of their inability to access medical care due to Israeli-imposed road closures and curfews.

Among the study's other findings: Israeli deaths made headlines and/or first paragraphs in the Chronicle 72 times, while Palestinian deaths got similar placement 129 times – although a total of 65 Israelis and 343 Palestinians died as a result of the conflict during the six months the study covered.

The Chronicle reported the total death toll from the conflict only 12 times in 251 news articles on the conflict – and not once did it give a breakdown of total Israeli versus total Palestinian deaths. Yet, "during this period, Palestinians were being killed at a rate approximately 5.3 times greater than Israelis," reads the preliminary report.

If Americans Knew founder and executive director Alison Weir spent a month in the West Bank and Gaza in February and March of 2001 before founding If Americans Knew.

Weir explained that the organization chose quantitative standards for the study specifically because the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is so subjective and politically loaded.

"I come [to the issue] with no ethnic, regional, or emotional ties to one side or the other," she said. "If the numbers were equally skewed in the other direction, I'd be equally upset."

Chronicle foreign editor Mark Abel said the paper's staffers hadn't had time to fully review the report and prepare a response.
http://www.sfbg.com/37/35/news_chron.html
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

Council Member
Jul 6, 2004
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Hide-Away Lane, Toronto
Hi! Rick van Opbergen

After the 9-11 attack and Bush declared everybody a "terrorist" ... I noticed that Sharon began doing the same thing.
In fact, the Israeli government representatives on American TV kept using the same terms as Bush when referencing the Palestinian conflict.

Each time they compared the US terrorist fears to Israeli fears they always said "we are doing the same thing as Bush is doing".
In these few short years the Jewish folks have managed to brand everyone a terrorist too.

It also has Bush in an awkward situation when world leaders shamed Israel for the attacks from gunships and the Jenin attack

This has carried on to this day.

Which deaths matter?
Study shows Chronicle downplays Palestinian fatalities
By Camille T. Taiara
May 28, 2003

The San Francisco Chronicle is 20 times more likely to report on the deaths of Israeli children killed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict than it is to cover Palestinian children's deaths, a new study shows.

If Americans Knew, a fledgling Berkeley outfit dedicated to disseminating underreported information on Israel and the occupied territories, analyzed the Chronicle's coverage of the region during the first months of the current intifada – a time period the study's researchers chose "because of its significance in forming the context within which all subsequent reporting on the conflict is viewed."

Four Israelis under the age of 18 died as a result of clashes that took place from Sept. 29, 2000, the first day of the uprising, through March 31, 2001, according to the report, the preliminary results of which were released May 21 to both the Chronicle and the Bay Guardian. During that period, it found, the Chronicle reported on those incidences in a headline or a first paragraph five times. The deaths of Palestinian minors received such attention only six times, although 93 were killed in that same time frame.

If Americans Knew based its calculations on figures from Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem, which keeps detailed statistics on deaths resulting from the conflict (see www.btselem.org). B'Tselem and If Americans Knew deem their figures on Palestinian deaths conservative, since they don't include those who died as a result of their inability to access medical care due to Israeli-imposed road closures and curfews.

Among the study's other findings: Israeli deaths made headlines and/or first paragraphs in the Chronicle 72 times, while Palestinian deaths got similar placement 129 times – although a total of 65 Israelis and 343 Palestinians died as a result of the conflict during the six months the study covered.

The Chronicle reported the total death toll from the conflict only 12 times in 251 news articles on the conflict – and not once did it give a breakdown of total Israeli versus total Palestinian deaths. Yet, "during this period, Palestinians were being killed at a rate approximately 5.3 times greater than Israelis," reads the preliminary report.

If Americans Knew founder and executive director Alison Weir spent a month in the West Bank and Gaza in February and March of 2001 before founding If Americans Knew.

Weir explained that the organization chose quantitative standards for the study specifically because the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is so subjective and politically loaded.

"I come [to the issue] with no ethnic, regional, or emotional ties to one side or the other," she said. "If the numbers were equally skewed in the other direction, I'd be equally upset."

Chronicle foreign editor Mark Abel said the paper's staffers hadn't had time to fully review the report and prepare a response.
http://www.sfbg.com/37/35/news_chron.html
 

Rick van Opbergen

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Look I don't deny that Paranoid, but I do oppose to such a general term as "the Jews". Because not all Jews will do the same, or am I wrong? If a Canadian would do the same - and I bet there are some Canadians who do that as well - I wonder how many people would appal to it here when a member would see this as a Canadian thing, not?
 

Rick van Opbergen

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Look I don't deny that Paranoid, but I do oppose to such a general term as "the Jews". Because not all Jews will do the same, or am I wrong? If a Canadian would do the same - and I bet there are some Canadians who do that as well - I wonder how many people would appal to it here when a member would see this as a Canadian thing, not?
 

Rick van Opbergen

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Look I don't deny that Paranoid, but I do oppose to such a general term as "the Jews". Because not all Jews will do the same, or am I wrong? If a Canadian would do the same - and I bet there are some Canadians who do that as well - I wonder how many people would appal to it here when a member would see this as a Canadian thing, not?
 

Reverend Blair

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That's why it's important to realise that is the Israelis who are doing bad things. Only one of the Jews I know is in favour of the actions the Israelis are taking against Palestinians. His reasons have at least as much to do with politics as religion.

It's also important to note that some of most vocal proponents of Israeli state terrorism are radical Christians who believe that Israel must become "whole" for the rapture to take place.
 

Reverend Blair

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Apr 3, 2004
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Winnipeg
That's why it's important to realise that is the Israelis who are doing bad things. Only one of the Jews I know is in favour of the actions the Israelis are taking against Palestinians. His reasons have at least as much to do with politics as religion.

It's also important to note that some of most vocal proponents of Israeli state terrorism are radical Christians who believe that Israel must become "whole" for the rapture to take place.
 

Reverend Blair

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Apr 3, 2004
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Winnipeg
That's why it's important to realise that is the Israelis who are doing bad things. Only one of the Jews I know is in favour of the actions the Israelis are taking against Palestinians. His reasons have at least as much to do with politics as religion.

It's also important to note that some of most vocal proponents of Israeli state terrorism are radical Christians who believe that Israel must become "whole" for the rapture to take place.
 

Reverend Blair

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Apr 3, 2004
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Winnipeg
When it comes to news, I only have one feeling about CanWest....They are the perfect example of why we need some pretty tight ownership laws in this country.

I was incredibly happy that they didn't buy the Winnipeg Free Press. The paper is pretty conservative but one of its strong points has always been that try to keep a balance on the op-ed pages. They have views from the right, left and centre. You don't see that in Asper-owned papers.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
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Winnipeg
When it comes to news, I only have one feeling about CanWest....They are the perfect example of why we need some pretty tight ownership laws in this country.

I was incredibly happy that they didn't buy the Winnipeg Free Press. The paper is pretty conservative but one of its strong points has always been that try to keep a balance on the op-ed pages. They have views from the right, left and centre. You don't see that in Asper-owned papers.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
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Winnipeg
When it comes to news, I only have one feeling about CanWest....They are the perfect example of why we need some pretty tight ownership laws in this country.

I was incredibly happy that they didn't buy the Winnipeg Free Press. The paper is pretty conservative but one of its strong points has always been that try to keep a balance on the op-ed pages. They have views from the right, left and centre. You don't see that in Asper-owned papers.
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Jul 6, 2004
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Hi!

I think it is okay to refer to Israeli's as Jews because Israeli's want a Jewish state. Thus, Israeli's are Jews.

I never said "all" Jews.
I said "Jews".

If someone wrote that Canadians like maple syrup .... I already know that the writer did not mean to suggest that all Canadians like maple syrup. But, like maple syrup or not, they are still Canadians.

Calm