Canadians step up to the American plate!

[talloola]

I want Canada to continue the fight too. I'm proud of our country and the rest of NATO, as it is a brave contribution to the people of Afghanistan, and well deserved.

The easiest thing to do is 'walk away' and pretend we don't know what happens after that.

If NATO stays and gets the job done, even if it takes ten years, finally 'someone' will get it
right for the Afghans, after all the carnage over many years.

 

[darkbeaver]

Not that your piece was void of truth, but your truth seems to change as the sun rises and sets.

It is a lovely Op/Ed piece, based on and supported by Op/Ed pieces, though.

Interesting you that you should observe change in me Bear.Relative truth derived from changing perspective is known as growth or learning. Something I have noticed only a little of in you over these last two years. This indicates stagnation in your thought processes, that stagnation indicates one of two things generally, retardation or senility, but it's not so bad you can still ammuse yourself in your usual maner even with the reduced capacity you are blissfully unaware of. Since I rarely see you quote sources or post the work of others I just asume that you do not read very well or very often and have to be content with a rather limited ability to express yourself usually simple minded unsubstantial dissin of the sub-highschool grades or common grunt talk. You should be thrilled that such an illustrious specimin such as my handsome self occasionally lowers himself to repond to your incessant chatter, I pat your tiny little head, now run along and fetch me a beer like a good little twit please.:lol:;-)

 

[gerryh]

Interesting you that you should observe change in me Bear.Relative truth derived from changing perspective is known as growth or learning. Something I have noticed only a little of in you over these last two years. This indicates stagnation in your thought processes, that stagnation indicates one of two things generally, retardation or senility, but it's not so bad you can still ammuse yourself in your usual maner even with the reduced capacity you are blissfully unaware of. Since I rarely see you quote sources or post the work of others I just asume that you do not read very well or very often and have to be content with a rather limited ability to express yourself usually simple minded unsubstantial dissin of the sub-highschool grades or common grunt talk. You should be thrilled that such an illustrious specimin such as my handsome self occasionally lowers himself to repond to your incessant chatter, I pat your tiny little head, now run along and fetch me a beer like a good little twit please.:lol:;-)

or...it could be, that unlike you, there are people that are able to think for themselves and come up with comentary on a subject on their own, rather than relying on commentary cut and pasted from some other person.

 

[dancing-loon]

So, I'm caught up with reading! Although, dear Beaver, I have not gone over the entirety of your links, but enough to see what you were referring to.

Most disturbing was this title: "NATO must prepare to launch nuclear attack"
Right away I thought 'this is an unceremonious warning for the common people, .. prepare yourselves ... the inevitable is going to happen sooner or later'. And here I am wrestling with the problem of what and how Canada should do in Afghanistan? Meanwhile the big shots are already considering a nuclear strike. Where would they drop it? In Kandahar, the border region or where? They are referring to the A-Bomb, aren't they?
As far as I know, Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons, or do we?

Two years ago a nuclear strike against Iran was expected any day, and yet, it never came. What is the delay?

I suspect that something drastic will happen before Mr. Bush leaves the Oval Office. He started two devastating wars, but finished none. It would be a blight on his record to leave a chaotic mess for his successor. That would severely taint his and America's image.

:idea: Perhaps I will bring water and food cans down into my basement!

 

[Lester]

Maybe there's a two for one sale on three dollar dictionaries (he says while checking his spelling carefully)

 

[dancing-loon]

or...it could be, that unlike you, there are people that are able to think for themselves and come up with commentary on a subject on their own, rather than relying on commentary cut and pasted from some other person.

Gerry, you are not very observant! I find Beaver has lots of political knowledge in his head. If he wouldn't supply a link with his postings, to substantiate his comments, YOU and others might argue he's making it all up! It is hard to please quarrulants who usually have nothing worthwhile to contribute to a topic! Can't say for sure whether you belong to that group or not.;-)

 

[darkbeaver]

or...it could be, that unlike you, there are people that are able to think for themselves and come up with comentary on a subject on their own, rather than relying on commentary cut and pasted from some other person.

Of course there are gerry if you had any real wit you wouldn't have to ask such a stupid question. You aren't one of them though. Like I've been telling you, your a twisted bitter little man with selfesteem problems. You feed exclusively on snipeing, why don't you get something else in your diet, maybe then you could finally have that **** you so desperately need.:lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

So, I'm caught up with reading! Although, dear Beaver, I have not gone over the entirety of your links, but enough to see what you were referring to.

Most disturbing was this title: "NATO must prepare to launch nuclear attack"
Right away I thought 'this is an unceremonious warning for the common people, .. prepare yourselves ... the inevitable is going to happen sooner or later'. And here I am wrestling with the problem of what and how Canada should do in Afghanistan? Meanwhile the big shots are already considering a nuclear strike. Where would they drop it? In Kandahar, the border region or where? They are referring to the A-Bomb, aren't they?
As far as I know, Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons, or do we?

Two years ago a nuclear strike against Iran was expected any day, and yet, it never came. What is the delay?

I suspect that something drastic will happen before Mr. Bush leaves the Oval Office. He started two devastating wars, but finished none. It would be a blight on his record to leave a chaotic mess for his successor. That would severely taint his and America's image.

:idea: Perhaps I will bring water and food cans down into my basement!

That nuke talk is frightening stuff eh. And Gordon Brown is going arround talking about the need to institute the New World Order, I think there's going to be something terrible happen and soon. We were promised never ending war and that's just what it looks like. Have you gotten anywhere with that Engdhal book?

 

[darkbeaver]

As far as I can make out Iran is the target. Iran must be eliminated for unimpeded access to the Caspian Sea for the oil. The oil goes from there through Afghanistan to Pakistan and on the tankers and you know the rest of the trip. It's about denying anyone else the use and benefit of that oil as well specifically China, but the whole region really, without it they cannot develope or modernize. The Anglo-American empire of which we are no small part cannot allow autonomous powers in the region, following the requirements of full spectrum domination necessitates complete and total control of the hydro-carbon resources of the region and complete subjugation of the people. No matter how many have to die. They're not considered important at all.

 

[dancing-loon]

That nuke talk is frightening stuff eh. And Gordon Brown is going arround talking about the need to institute the New World Order, I think there's going to be something terrible happen and soon. We were promised never ending war and that's just what it looks like. Have you gotten anywhere with that Engdhal book?

Hi, Beaver;
yes, the situation down there is like a powder keg right now. I read Israel delivered some tankers of oil to the palestinians, medicine, too! If I want to be sarcastic, I would say, "now, that's a sign ..."!:idea:

I started on the book, but haven't gotten very far yet. It doesn't read like a suspense novel! It's heavy stuff. First chapter is about Iraqi farmers and their seeds, now dependent on Monsanto with patent genetically altered organisms - GMO - seeds. And how this was done so sneakily by Paul Bremer when he set up the interim government in Iraq. Farmers now have to pay a fine if they try to use their own saved seeds or even seeds from the previous harvest... they have to buy new seeds every year! Or else they violate a certain agreement. All arranged for the benefit of Monsanto and Dupont = big companies!!
Another chapter talks about Argentina, the first test-rabbit...it's about soy bean plantations.
Chapter 9 is titled "Rockefeller and Harvard inventing the US-Agri-Business".
Even Kissinger and biological war-fare is mentioned!
Hardcover with 284 pages.... I'm on pg. 38!:-(
My german friend, who loaned me the book, recently told me I can keep the book for a while yet. But I'm thinking of borrowing it in English from our library. You could do the same and save the money buying it. Inter-library loan will get you just about any book.
Thanks for showing interest, Beaver.

Good Night!
(no bed bugs, I assume? Just soft feathers, eh?) ;-)

P.S. I couldn't connect to CC's server for an hour or so!!!:x

 

[dancing-loon]

As far as I can make out Iran is the target. Iran must be eliminated for unimpeded access to the Caspian Sea for the oil.

Hey, you stole that idea from me!! I suggested it first!!!:lol:;-)

The oil goes from there through Afghanistan to Pakistan and on the tankers and you know the rest of the trip.

Yes, I saw a good map that shows the entire region. Actually, they might run a much shorter line through Iran, to the Gulf, completely avoiding Afghanistan. I'm not sure if they actually got the entire pipe line through Afghanistan already built. That was the problem with the Taliban, they kept stopping that project.

It's about denying anyone else the use and benefit of that oil as well specifically China, but the whole region really, without it they cannot develop or modernize.

From what I read, are there a whole bunch of countries who have stakes in that oil. I don't think the imperialist can just grab and run. But at least they are involved through Exxon and investments.

The Anglo-American empire, of which we are no small part, cannot allow autonomous powers in the region, following the requirements of full spectrum domination necessitates complete and total control of the hydro-carbon resources of the region and complete subjugation of the people. No matter how many have to die. They're not considered important at all.

Hmmmm.... I don't think it is that simple! Russia and China will stop that!!! The US wouldn't dare, either, I think.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Have you read about a connection between RAW (India) and MOSSAD? Perhaps this is of interest for you : "RAW maintains active collaboration with other secret services in various countries. Its contacts with FSB of Russia, KHAD, the Afghan agency, Israel's Mossad, the CIA and MI6 have been well-known, a common interest being Pakistan's nuclear programme."

Let's keep an eye on that!

 

[darkbeaver]

Hey, you stole that idea from me!! I suggested it first!!!:lol:;-)

Yes, I saw a good map that shows the entire region. Actually, they might run a much shorter line through Iran, to the Gulf, completely avoiding Afghanistan. I'm not sure if they actually got the entire pipe line through Afghanistan already built. That was the problem with the Taliban, they kept stopping that project.
From what I read, are there a whole bunch of countries who have stakes in that oil. I don't think the imperialist can just grab and run. But at least they are involved through Exxon and investments.
Hmmmm.... I don't think it is that simple! Russia and China will stop that!!! The US wouldn't dare, either, I think.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Have you read about a connection between RAW (India) and MOSSAD? Perhaps this is of interest for you : "RAW maintains active collaboration with other secret services in various countries. Its contacts with FSB of Russia, KHAD, the Afghan agency, Israel's Mossad, the CIA and MI6 have been well-known, a common interest being Pakistan's nuclear programme."

Let's keep an eye on that!

I stole it from somebody else, that's how it works.:lol:

 

[CDNBear]

Interesting you that you should observe change in me Bear.

Not the good kinda change Beav, the mental meanderings of someone so locked and lost in an ideology, that even when it conflicts with itself, you can't see it and therefore trip all over yourself looking for something to justify the error...which is more oft then not, blaming the right.

Relative truth derived from changing perspective is known as growth or learning. Something I have noticed only a little of in you over these last two years. This indicates stagnation in your thought processes, that stagnation indicates one of two things generally, retardation or senility, but it's not so bad you can still ammuse yourself in your usual maner even with the reduced capacity you are blissfully unaware of. Since I rarely see you quote sources or post the work of others I just asume that you do not read very well or very often and have to be content with a rather limited ability to express yourself usually simple minded unsubstantial dissin of the sub-highschool grades or common grunt talk. You should be thrilled that such an illustrious specimin such as my handsome self occasionally lowers himself to repond to your incessant chatter, I pat your tiny little head, now run along and fetch me a beer like a good little twit please.:lol:;-)

All I can say is, that in an outright insult and a weak attempt at a creative insult by some self styled experiment in stupidity that evolved into the model blueprint for building an idiot.

With logic like a lawn full of weeds and insightful posts as reliable as a support bra without wires, I've got some guy whose head whistles in a cross wind and measures an erection as personal growth trying to lecture me on personal growth. I think you should save your efforts for your inflatable girlfriend.

"Credit to Our hero...GFPB"

Gerry, you are not very observant! I find Beaver has lots of political knowledge in his head. If he wouldn't supply a link with his postings, to substantiate his comments, YOU and others might argue he's making it all up! It is hard to please quarrulants who usually have nothing worthwhile to contribute to a topic! Can't say for sure whether you belong to that group or not.;-)

I stole it from somebody else, that's how it works.:lol:

Now that you two have a quaint lil circle jerk on the go, why not invite Logic 7 along to be the slice of bread.

And to answer your halfbaked question Beav, I've posted somany links here Andem threatend to charge me for extra bandwidth. Not that the effort did much good. Posting links to news groups that have links and deep search functions that take the truly free thinkers right to the originating source, was always met with contempt, dibelief in the reality of the issue and of course the patented, 'ignore'. A skill you've mastered along with the other extremists here.

As a last request, don't forget the K-Y, I'ld to hate to read a page long essay on the capitalist scum that caused you and you cronies to get knob burn, because it wasn't clearly labelled on your knobs at birth.

All hail the socialist Nanny state, saving morons from themselves.

 

[karrie]

Surely we can all bring the thread back to a tone which is about content, not posters?

It gets tiring to read the ad hominem attacks, regardless of which side of the argument they're on.

 

[Niflmir]

During the cold war the USSR tried to extend their influence and backed a certain movement in Afghanistan. As was their philosophy at the time, the USA began to support an opposing faction: the Mujahideen. When the USSR withdrew support, the Mujahideen overpowered the opposition and stormed the nation. The USA withdrew interest from the nation. The Mujahideen slowly degenerated into the type of government that warlords do best: despotic tyranny plagued by violence by the "officials". Out of this mess, Pakistan funded the Taliban with the premise of saving this nation from the barbarism. They chased the barbaric Mujahideen out, and various warlords, reportedly responsible for rapes, murders and acid throwing, regrouped into the Northern Alliance.

As the cycle continued, the Taliban became the barbarians they had tried to oppose. Now NATO has entered an area which drastically needs peace, with a manifest purpose of bringing peace to this region. But the Northern Alliance as their allies, is this going to be helpful? Why this region and not the Congo? Take a look at a map, is this the only region in the world that needs peace? Has a war of peace ever worked?

 

[CDNBear]

During the cold war the USSR tried to extend their influence and backed a certain movement in Afghanistan. As was their philosophy at the time, the USA began to support an opposing faction: the Mujahideen. When the USSR withdrew support, the Mujahideen overpowered the opposition and stormed the nation. The USA withdrew interest from the nation. The Mujahideen slowly degenerated into the type of government that warlords do best: despotic tyranny plagued by violence by the "officials". Out of this mess, Pakistan funded the Taliban with the premise of saving this nation from the barbarism. They chased the barbaric Mujahideen out, and various warlords, reportedly responsible for rapes, murders and acid throwing, regrouped into the Northern Alliance.

As the cycle continued, the Taliban became the barbarians they had tried to oppose. Now NATO has entered an area which drastically needs peace, with a manifest purpose of bringing peace to this region. But the Northern Alliance as their allies, is this going to be helpful? Why this region and not the Congo? Take a look at a map, is this the only region in the world that needs peace? Has a war of peace ever worked?

WW II

 

[darkbeaver]

"Bear poop"
"support bra without wires" "measures an erection as personal growth" "inflatable girlfriend" "circle jerk" "K-Y" "knob burn" "labeled on your knobs at birth"



I believe that your choice of course subject matter amply supports my thoughts about your value as a person. Psycology is not my main interest but I do know enough to suspect 'penile envy syndrome', I think that's quite a close preliminary diagnosis but you would of course have to make an appointment with a professional, and get a second opinion.
You are a hot head Bear, easy to ruffle, easy to predict, easy to deal with, just plain easy. Seems you've been insulted easily as well. Spilled my beer didn't you? Useless twit. You're not going to enjoy The New Socialist World Order.;-)