Canadians pay hefty $684B bill in business subsidies over 30 years, study shows

White_Unifier

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Did you know I don't care? Here is a list of foreign owned companies in Canada. As I said - it is over 20%, which is the largest amount of foreign ownership in any advanced nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_ownership_of_companies_of_Canada



Economic nationalism makes sense. Most nations like to be able to control their own economies. Those that can't can easily be manipulated by foreign interests. In addition, as I pointed out, too much foreign ownership can create a balance of payments problem.

What's the difference between that and economic provincialism or even localism?
 

Bar Sinister

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What's the difference between that and economic provincialism or even localism?

It's called being able to control your own economy instead of letting it be run by foreign transnationals. If the US economy was controlled by foreign owners to the extent Canada's is the Americans would be $hitting themselves. They're already worried about the Chinese and the Chinese own a bare fraction of the US economy.
 

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Bernier: Abolishing business subsidies is a no-brainer

Abolishing business subsidies is such a no-brainer that it should be the first thing done by a newly elected conservative government.

We know that they make no sense from an economic point of view. In a free-market economy, either a business is profitable, and then it doesn’t need government subsidies. Or it’s not profitable, and in this case it should be restructured, or sold, or shut down, so that it stops destroying wealth instead of creating it.

Free-market economists unanimously decry subsidies as inefficient and a waste of taxpayers’ money. They bring a misallocation of resources and distortions in the economy. They create a constant demand for government intervention.

Abolishing them would force companies to compete for funds in the capital market instead of wasting resources filling in questionnaires and lobbying the government. And it would free up a lot of money to lower taxes equally to every business, thus making them all more competitive and boosting our economy.

But that’s not all. Subsidies are also grossly unfair, which should offend not just conservatives, but everybody with a sense of fairness.

When a small business or a self-employed worker are having financial troubles, they can’t hire a lobbyist to meet ministers and bureaucrats in Ottawa and ask them for a hand-out. They have to take hard decisions or close their business and do something else.

So why should they be forced to pay taxes to funds subsidies to Bombardier, or GM, or any other business run by millionaires? Is it fair to have struggling businesses across the country compete for resources with well-connected or trendy industries that can outbid them with the help of government grants?

Corporate subsidies are the opposite of capitalism: they are crony capitalism.

Yet, governments continue to distribute billions of dollars to businesses every year.

The federal government directly puts money in new investments, bails out failing companies, and offers dozens of different incentives, tax credit and tax deductions for all kinds of reasons. A study by the School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary found $16 billion in various types of direct and indirect subsidies to businesses in 2013.

Several of these measures may be worth keeping, such as those that encourage research and development. But many others are just inefficient ways for the government to choose winners, bail out unprofitable ventures, promote some bureaucratic fad, or buy political support with taxpayers’ money.

So why is it so difficult to get rid of these subsidies, even when conservatives are in power? Why do so many politicians who claim to be conservative contradict their basic principles by continuing to support subsidy programs?

Economists and political scientists of the School of Public Choice have tried to explain this dynamic. Their research shows how particular groups have a strong interest in getting organized to put pressure on politicians. These special interest groups want not only subsidies, but also trade protection, more generous social programs, a fiscal or legal privilege, regulation that favours them and keeps out competition, etc. Any favour they get from the government can potentially bring them huge benefits.

It’s very hard for politicians to say no to these lobbies because they have the means to hijack debates, quickly mobilize support and fuel controversies in the media. Politicians want to be liked and re-elected. They prefer to hand over the cheque and pretend they are saving jobs, rather than do nothing and be held responsible for bad economic news.

On the other hand, nobody hears what the silent majority have to say, even if it is the one paying the bill.

Bernier: Abolishing Business Subsidies is a No-Brainer - Conservative Futures
 

White_Unifier

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Yes I do. Currently foreign-owned companies own over 20% of the Canadian economy. This includes most resources extraction companies. This not only sucks an enormous amount of cash out of the country each year, but means that Canada's resources are essentially controlled by companies that have little or no interest in Canada's future. It also makes it difficult for domestic companies to compete against much larger foreign companies. As an example can you name a single Canadian owned fast food company? Most of them have either been driven out of business by foreign owned companies or bought up by them.



The same thing happened to similar companies in other nations. The difference is that many of those tech companies were kept alive by large government contracts. As for Petro-Canada it was and is a profitable company. And just in case you are interested there are lots of government owned domestic airlines and Air Canada made a profit last year.

Then stop eating junk food!

Though I do eat meat when it's offered, I buy and prepare vegan.

I can barely remember the last time I ate at a McDonald's or Tim Horton's.

I remember getting into a discussion with someone years ago about there being too much US content on Canadian TV.

I told her I seldom watch TV and read books from various countries. I then asked her why she watched so much US programming. I don't think she expected that answer.

I think it's the same here. those who slavishly buy American complain about being overrun while those of us who don't don't see a problem.

So you're just seeing the problems you yourself are contributing to.
 

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Don't forget: anyone can buy into publicly traded companies, or into entities owning foreign companies.
 

White_Unifier

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Don't forget: anyone can buy into publicly traded companies, or into entities owning foreign companies.

which raises the question. Are 'foreign'owned companies really 100% foreign owned, and are 'Canadian' companies 100% Canadian owned. And does it even matter who owns what?
 

Bar Sinister

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Then stop eating junk food!

Though I do eat meat when it's offered, I buy and prepare vegan.

I can barely remember the last time I ate at a McDonald's or Tim Horton's.

I remember getting into a discussion with someone years ago about there being too much US content on Canadian TV.

I told her I seldom watch TV and read books from various countries. I then asked her why she watched so much US programming. I don't think she expected that answer.

I think it's the same here. those who slavishly buy American complain about being overrun while those of us who don't don't see a problem.

So you're just seeing the problems you yourself are contributing to.

Gee, I mention food company and you immediately start talking about MacDonald's. I was talking about corporations like Kraft and General Mills. And it is my business what sort of entertainment I watch. It does so happen that at the moment most of the TV dramas I watch are made in Canada and have largely Canadian casts. Anyway the topic is about government subsides to business not whether you enjoy bean sprouts.