Canadians For Equal Marriage

[Diamond Sun]

Incidentally, is she your only partner, or do you have others?

While I think Rev did a fabulous job of responding to Mediana's post, this particular line really hit me.

Mediana, are you implying that homosexuals are not capable of having monogamous relationships. I find that statement offfensive, and I would hope that Cosmo does as well. Gays/lesbians are just as inclined, and in my personal opinion, more inclined, to have committed loving relationships.

If you asked a married heterosexual if her spouse was her only one, you would be out of line. So, how do you justify asking it to Cosmo?

 

[peapod]

That a very good question diamond sun, I to would like to know mediana's answer to that question. Would you mediana ask the same question of a hetrosexual couple? No because its rude and its none of your business. There is no way you can use hetrosexual marriages as a example of mongomus realationships Just look at the stats on divorce, alot of it is from infidelity.

 

[bevvyd]

omega, I brought up the different sexual preference types as that is what your post struck me the most of, you don't like the sexual aspect of their relationship. I've actually heard this from several other people I have discussed this topic with.

 

[Mediana]

That a very good question diamond sun, I to would like to know mediana's answer to that question. Would you mediana ask the same question of a hetrosexual couple? No because its rude and its none of your business.

Hell, yeah, why not if the issue at hand is the re-engineering of language by PCers.

Does partner imply monogamy? No, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Does husband/wife imply monogamy? Yes, it does... unless you're a degenerate intent on accelerating the downfall of Western Civilization.

My point, which was so obviously lost on you and your ilk, is that shifting the definition of words from something specific to something broad and vague is the epitome of ignorance and stupidity. And don't feed me this crap about change; change is something that occurs naturally. What you are advocating is nothing short of artificially dismantling language in order to create a new social construct.

When the avant garde movement wanted to create new ways of doing art they didn't go around destroying the works of the old masters. They didn't conspire to appropriate the terms attributed to classical chef d'oeuvres. They invented they own term and parallel modes of expression. Maybe you should take a hint.

There is no way you can use hetrosexual marriages as a example of mongomus realationships.

The term "hetrosexual marriage" is redundant. Honestly, what makes you PCers think you have the self-proclaimed right to play around with language?

I supposed your next objective will be to open up the words "male" and "female" to accomodate the transgendered. Where does it end?

Just look at the stats on divorce, alot of it is from infidelity.

Don't gloat. For those of us who believe in fidelity and the institution of marriage it is a catastrophe.

 

[peapod]

You still not answer the question, where do get off asking someone how many sexual partners they have? Would you ask the same question of a male and female couple? I would like an answer. I am not a PCer I am a BCer. Sorry you gave me that one, I could not resist. So please answer the orginal question.

 

[Andem]

Does husband/wife imply monogamy? Yes, it does... unless you're a degenerate intent on accelerating the downfall of Western Civilization.

Maybe if you're referring to a mere 20% of married people who have never cheated... Or what about the outrageously high divorce rate in the West?

Don't gloat. For those of us who believe in fidelity and the institution of marriage it is a catastrophe.

How so? Maybe if you are intolerant. You get to keep your rights. Some other people want the same rights. How does equal-right marriage effect your life? Please explain.

 

[Mediana]

A huge difference... By altering the definition of marriage advocates of social engineering such as yourself are trying to reinvent language and rewrite history for future generations.

Bull puckey. Women can vote now, but we all know they didn;t used to be able to. By throwing up such false obstacles you are being less than truthful.

Puckey yourself. Cite me a single dictionary which defines the word "vote" as being an activity to the exclusion of women... Can't do it? Gee, then you really have a problem.

My dictionary defines marriage as the "the formal union of a man and a woman, by which they become husband and wife". Is that too vague for you?

Every recorded reference to marriage since the dawn of civilization will be falsely reinterpreted as having been inclusive to homosexuals.

No. There is no reason to think so. When somebody hears about travel in the eighteenth century they don't think of airplanes.

Travel is an awfully broad term. Marriage, on the other hand is very very specific.

Homosexuals should come up another word for same-sex marriages: call it "ssmarriage" or something.

Let the ultra-religious come up with their own word. The word marriage belongs to everybody.

The word marriage belongs to the english language, and I don't recall getting a memo giving you carte blanche to screw around with it.

Like those nutters who "marry" their dog or horse...

Is this an attempt to duhumanize a segment of our society or just a disply of ignorance?

I dunno... I can't find "duhumanize" in my dictionary.

You're not married... but you're happily married? Did it ever occur to you that you are playing with words to the insult of the readership?

I considered myself married before we got the official paperwork.

Well, aren't you the self-satisfied sanctimonious little...

The only reason I didn't edit this entire attack is so that your ignorance and intolerance will remain on display, Mediana.

Hey, what's that noise... It sounds like a mob of PCers calling you to join them in a book burning ceremony. Hop to it Rev, you've got dictionaries to "revise".

 

[peapod]

See that is the difference between right there, we don't want to burn your book, its your belief and your right to believe whatever you like. Its you that wants to set something on fire.

 

[Andem]

DIRECT FROM THE DICTIONARY:

mar·riage ( P )
n.

1. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
2. The state of being married; wedlock.
3. A common-law marriage.
4. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.



Looks like you're wrong Mendiana. Times, they are-a-changing! The dictionary changes every year and this is one of those words which has already been changed. (BTW: Thanks for coming out!)

Note about the definition in bold: It says usually, but welcome to Canada.. here it IS legal.

 

[Diamond Sun]

Re: RE: Canadians For Equal Marriage

How so? Maybe if you are intolerant. You get to keep your rights. Some other people want the same rights. How does equal-right marriage effect your life? Please explain.

I think you got to the real question here Andem. I'd also like to hear how equal-right marriage will have any effect on Mediana's day to day life. Or any one's for that matter.

The only thing that will happen in my life is that one day I can go to my brother's wedding, and perhaps be the one to sign his Marriage certificate. In the grand scheme of things, my life will go on as it does now, people I don't know (both gay and straight) will continue to get married, and wouldn't you know it, I don't even know it! One day, I might have to explain to my children why they have two uncles, when their friend Susie doesn't, and maybe not. As the world changes, our children change, and as I was raised to not differentiate skin colour, my kids will be raised to not differentiate marriage. Isn't change glorious?

 

[Mediana]

Hell, yeah, why not if the issue at hand is the re-engineering of language by PCers.

You still not answer the question, where do get off asking someone how many sexual partners they have? Would you ask the same question of a male and female couple? I would like an answer.

I already did. Pay attention next time.

 

[peapod]

And if I don't will you set me on fire :wink:

 

[LadyC]

Does husband/wife imply monogamy?

Imply, yes. In actual fact, no.

Don't gloat. For those of us who believe in fidelity and the institution of marriage it is a catastrophe.

I believe in fidelity and the institution of marriage too. Yet I'll soon be divorced. What's your point?

 

[LadyC]

Cite me a single dictionary which defines the word "vote" as being an activity to the exclusion of women... Can't do it? Gee, then you really have a problem.

Jheeeesh! History wasn't your best subject, was it? Women only got the vote in the last century. Prior to that it was only men who could vote. Dictionary definition or not.

 

[peapod]

Mediana I suppose the following gay and lesbian people are also devients to :wink:


Sports

Martina Navratilova, professional tennis champion
Billie Jean King, professional tennis champion
David Kopay, retired NFL football player
Greg Louganis, three-time Olympic gold medalist in diving
Glenn Burke, Ex-Major League baseball player
Dave Pallone, Ex-Major League baseball umpire
Bruce Hayes, Olympic swimmer
Bob Jackson, professional bodybuilder
Babe Didrikson Zaharias, professional golfer
Tom Waddell, Olympic decathelete
Music

Elton John, musician
George Michael, musician
k.d. lang, musician
Melissa Etheridge, musician
Boy George, musician (Culture Club)
Ani DiFranco, musician
Brian Epstein, First manager for the Beatles
Liberace, pianist/entertainer
Aaron Copeland, composer
Johnny Mathis, musician
Iggy Pop, musician
Janis Ian, musician
Michael Stipe, (lead singer of R.E.M.)
Joan Baez, musician
Cole Porter, song writer
Leonard Berstein*, Composer (West Side Story, On the Waterfront)
Pete Townsend, musician (The Who)
Jimmy Somerville, musician (Bronski Beat)
Paul Rutherford, singer (Frankie goes to Hollywood)
Holly Johnson, lead singer (Frankie goes to Hollywood)
Emily Sailers, musician (Indigo Girls)
Amy Ray, musician (Indigo Girls)
Franz Schubert, composer
Peter Tchaikovsky, composer
Josephine Baker, singer
Andy Bell, musician
Benjamin Britten, composer
Bessie Smith, singer
Patty Schemel, drummer (Hole)
Dave Navaro, musician (Red Hot Chilli Peppers)
Writers, Poets & Playwrights

Willa Cather*, writer (My Antonia, O' Pioneers)
Radclyffe Hall, writer (The Well of Loneliness)
James Baldwin, writer (Go Tell it on the Mountian, Giovanni's Room, Another Country)
Andrew Sullivan, editor of The New Republic magazine
May Sarton, writer
Randy Shilts, journalist (The Mayor of Castro Street; And the Band Played On)
Deb Price, Gannett newspapers columnist
Edward Albee, playwright (Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf?)
Sir James M. Barrie, playwirght/novelist (Peter Pan)
Armistead Maupin, writer (Tales of the City)
Audre Lorde, African-American poet and activist
Rita Mae Brown, novelist
William S. Burroughs, novelist
John Boswell, historian/writer
Gertrude Stein, writer
Walt Whitman, poet (Leaves of Grass)
Tennessee Williams, playwright (The Glass Menagerie; A Streetcar Named Desire)
Hans Christian Anderson, writer of children's fairy tales
Malcolm Forbes, publisher
Somerset Maugham, writer
Sappho, Greek poet
Oscar Wilde, playwright/novelist (The Portrait of Dorian Gray)
Marcel Proust, writer (Remembrance of Things Past)
Emily Dickinson*, poet
Gore Vidal, novelist
Chastity Bono, writer for The Advocate (daughter of Sonny & Cher)
E.M. Forster, writer (Howard's End, A Passage to India, Maurice)
Amy Lowell, poet
Virginia Woolf*,writer
Alice B. Toklas, writer
Edna St. Vincent Millay, poet
Henry James,writer
Sir Francis Bacon, writer
Lord Byron, poet
Allen Ginsberg, poet
Entertainers, Directors & Producers

Rock Hudson, actor
Amanda Bearsey, actress
Ellen DeGeneres, actress/comedian
Gus Van Sant, filmmaker (My Own Private Idaho)
Sandra Bernhardt, comedian/actress
Siegfried and Roy, entertainers
Dick Sargent, actor (second Darrin on Bewitched)
David Geffen, film producer/music business
RuPaul, entertainer
Julie Cypher, director (Teresa's Tattoo, music videos)
Kate Clinton, comedian
Sir Ian McKellen, actor
Tom Hulce, actor (Mozart in Amadeus)
Marie Schneider, actress (The Last Tango in Paris)
Lily Tomlin, actress/comedian
James Dean*, actor
Pedro Almodovar, director
Lea DeLaria, comedian
Errol Flynn*, actor
Montgomery Clift, actor
Artists

Andy Warhol
Jean Cocteau
Michelangelo*
Georgia O'Keefe
Frieda Kahlo
Leonardo da Vinci*
Other Notable People

Someone you know
Someone you work with
Someone you care about
Someone you respect
Someone you love
Could be anybody Mediana....maybe even your doctor...theres a thought

 

[Andem]

Wow... I was expecting that list to go a little longer, but that's ok

 

[Andem]

Still wondering when my main questions will be answered though... (And good points Diamond )

 

[LadyC]

Well she left off several, most notably Freddie Mercury.

I sure miss him. What an amazing talent.

 

[peapod]

Come on there is not enough paper at canadian content for me to list them all...and I left the clergy off the list. :wink:

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

And you forgot Cosmo peapod, she's a celebrity too :wink: