Canadian soldier killed defending our freedom

[CDNBear]

Harper would have sent troops to Iraq. My guess is you would have supported it too.

No I wouldn't have, and have stated so, so many times, it's scary. You guys only latch on to whatever you percieve to be against your train of thought.

 

[northstar]

cdn bear,
if immature people are trying to engage you personally it is because they have nothing to bring to the table except weak arguments and no facts.

The long winded speeches full of massive run-on convoluted sentences l don't bother reading, it just isn't worth it.

At least when l argue with you, you can form a decent argument, which is a lot more than some of the childish personal statements that l have recieved so far.

Within two days l have been called names, told to go to hell and a few other lovely treats. It is amusing, in the same context as you would find Osama being spanked as amusing. It is bound to happen,again and again, and yet they come back for more...

 

[CDNBear]

cdn bear,
if immature people are trying to engage you personally it is because they have nothing to bring to the table except weak arguments and no facts.

The long winded speeches full of massive run-on convoluted sentences l don't bother reading, it just isn't worth it.

At least when l argue with you, you can form a decent argument, which is a lot more than some of the childish personal statements that l have recieved so far.

Within two days l have been called names, told to go to hell and a few other lovely treats. It is amusing, in the same context as you would find Osama being spanked as amusing. It is bound to happen,again and again, and yet they come back for more...

True enough northstar, it always amazes me has to how predictable they too. It's almost like a time table for them. If you don't point out you know their next move, they do exactly what you think they will, but as I like to point out the next move, it usually throws them off. Then they just get silly and run around trying to cury favour and friends, because like most cowards that hide behind fancy speaches and flowery speak, they have not got what it takes to take you on, one on one. They have not seen the real world, they have not experienced real loss, real pain, real hate. They live in a conjecture shell of idealistic thought, with nothing, but words to prop themselves up with.

I asked him several times to say he did not intentionaly flower his words to slyly smack us both, and yet he crys and crys, and no word of self defence. How pitiful.

You now what I just realised? I started my conversation with Mikey by agreeing with him! Just goes to show ya, no good deed, goes unpunished.

 

[northstar]

:d :d :d :d :d

 

[Paladin]

hi

So, you would rather cut and run having the deaths of the Soldiers before him being in vain? It's pretty easy for you to sit here and blah, blah about how this isn't our War and it's because of the Bush doctrine because you seem to forget Canadians also died on 9/11. The Soldiers who died knew what they signed up for. If Canada wasn't in this War we would be safe? You really have no clue do you? Get a clue because you're opinion would be different if the Liberals were still in power and the United States wasn't in Afghanistan, Afghanistan is a NATO Mission understand?

Its not a question of if this is our war, the only reason we went into afghanistan was because of american pressure, if we didnt follow americans into afghanistan, the softwood lumber deal would be the least of our problems...Also dont forget it was the liberals who sent us into afghanistan. You say that the afghanistan mission is a nato mission.. yet 99% of the casualties in the war are Canadian and American. Your telling me its a NATO mission when Canadians and Americans are the only ones going out at night and Canadians are the only ones seen in actual combat. Yes there are terrorist training camps in afghanistan it was a proven fact that osama binladen was hiding afghanistan and he was behind the attacks on 9/11 yet there are only 8000 troops in afghanistan to fight taliban insurgency and 150000 in iraq to fight god knows what. Does that seem a little funny too you? How are we supposed to help afghanistan with 8000 troops with more than half of them not allowed to go on night patrols or near the mountain regions? And also please remeber Canadian fighting style is much different than American fighting style, Canadians will stop their entire convoy risking their whole column if a child walks on the road asking for help..cause thats our job to help the afghanistan civilians. Will the americans do that...dont bet on it. Aside for different fighting styles, every civilian you kill even if its accidentally will create 100 insurgents for the taliban.
The war in afghanistan no matter how noble is unfortunately has not a realistic war because:
1. if we want to rebuild the country we need to get it a strong base for an economy, right now the only thing afghanistan has is opium. So we either work with the warlords to try to get them to shift production, i.e let the grow opium but grow some agriculture as well and give them benefits. Or if our morals get in the way we have to fight these warlords to force a turn in economy which will lead to a lot of body bags.
2. Afghanistan is nieghboring Pakistan, and Pakistan already has a nuclear super power nieghbors called India and China. The last thing pakistan wants is to see a strong Afghanistan, they will never let it happen and thats why you hear in the news that pakistan is hiding terrorists and supplying the taliban with weapons. Oh and dont forget good old russia, man seem to forget that Russia invaded afghanistan once and got their buts kicked right out, partially due to America who funded and trained the taliban to fight russians(how ironic).
3. Regardless of the previous two facts, even if we want to help afghanistan and kill the insurgency we need a LOT more than 8000 troops.

First post just throwin it out there

 

[catman]

They are now talking about extending the tour for the soldiers already in Afghanistan. It seems they are trying to avoid sending the same troops over there more then once. Hopefully they will be able to prevent that from happening before February 2009 when our time is up.

 

[Paladin]

they will most likely extend our time in afghanistan since no other country is willing to take the job and also immense US pressure.

 

[CDNBear]

If you would like to see what the Army has to say about why we are there, and of course, you should view this with an open mind,,,

http://www.canada-afghanistan.gc.ca/mission-en.asp

Canada has a long Military Tradition, both as Peace Keepers and as Warriors. This mission, as ugly as the media has filmed it, is in fact a duel mission. As why face the enemy, and push him from the various regions, we will leave in our path, a peaceful, rebuilt social structure. Our envoy, has already begun reconstruction and the implimentation of renewed Agricultural practices to replace the Opium crops.

It has been a slow prosess, due largely to the fierce resistance from insurgents. But as our soldiers have shown, time and time again, we are up to the challenge, and ready to face that challenge head first. Even if the Government does almost everything bassackwards.

 

[northstar]

well said Bear, the scarey thing is the UK with the huge immigrant poplulation and the beginning of the uncovering of terrorist cells, and in the many issues that are all clues to an uprising of Jihad Muslims. On top of this is the pressure from the Muslims ie. the Air India... oh wait l will give you a posting from an aware English person because my point is that if other countries pull out even some of their troops then we Canadians are in for a very, very difficult time...

Blundering into tyranny with a giggle as we go...

How did it feel to be living in Germany six or seven years before democracy put Hitler in power?

Was there a sense of ominous foreboding, or did most people go about their lives more or less normally?

Could anyone have guessed what was coming? If they did, could they have done anything to stop it? Even living and working in one of the more prosperous and safer parts of the country, I have a growing sense of bad trouble to come.

Put it all together.

The State and millions of families are up to their hairlines in debts they cannot possibly pay. We have the worst balance of payments since 1689.

Frightening levels of youth unemployment are combined with unrestrained mass immigration. Multiculturalism has gone so far that we are, in many respects, an apartheid country, in which the less fortunate and ill-educated of both communities live perilously close to each other in a state of bristling tension.

Meanwhile, the liberal middle classes, who have carefully bought themselves houses as far away from multicultural Britain as they can get, preach contentment to the poor.

Our national airline, whose aircraft bear the crosses of three saints on their tailplanes, disciplines an employee for wearing a tiny cross on a chain round her neck.

Hijabs, meanwhile, are permitted. Let's see what happens when a BA stewardess turns up to work in a full-face veil.

We are involved in two dangerous and doomed wars, in which our troops lack necessary equipment and are short of rations, while the State treats 50,000 self-destroyed drug addicts as too ill to work, and pays them generous allowances to do nothing.

An unelected general speaks for public opinion, while elected politicians sneer at the concerns of the public, despise their own supporters and secretly persuade millionaires to finance their costly brainwashing campaigns.

Our Prime Minister is a fantasist who looks at the blood and burning and ruins of Iraq and sees a verdant young democracy, with twittering birds and blooming flowers. He also thinks we all love him.

The man who, for years, misruled our schools and then our justice system reveals himself as a self-obsessed weirdo, and is exposed as a raving hysteric who demanded that rioting convicts be machine-gunned.

(NB: This former Home Secretary once described a friend of mine as 'mad' for arguing in favour of selective State schools.)

The leader of the Opposition won't say if he used to take Class A drugs, wants to hug hoodies and holds summits with rap artists. And he misses the best opportunity any Opposition leader ever had, because he still can't bring himself to denounce the Iraq War.

If he hasn't the guts to do this now, then it seems a pretty good bet that he, like Mr Blair, would have slavishly followed George W. Bush if he'd been in charge at the time.

There you have it.

Discredited, lawless, ****less, occasionally unhinged leaders divorced from reality; a crumbling constitution; perilous racial and cultural tension; crime and disorder beyond control; economic pain inevitable; the national front-door wide open for anyone to come in; every decent institution under attack, every form of bad behaviour unrestrained.

I see great danger ahead. But who, in our political class, will even address it? Daily we drift closer to the lip of Niagara, giggling as we go.

--G. staircase

insight from a UK citizen...