Canadian Politics - an embarassment

Toro

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jimmoyer said:
But this thread is on the Canadian improvement on democracy or its embarrassments, and so I only wanted to point out that democracy in all its various flavors holds promise only in the process, the opportunity to battle.

The end result of those battles never please the great majority. Never.

And thus the tendency to split or separate manifests if one interest group does not get what it wants.

How you can create an apparatus that will encourage debate and thus slow down any progress legitimately or illegitimately, and also create an apparatus that can actually get things done is a great riddle.

Secession always lurks in democracy.

Compromise gains a disappointed majority.

There's only one bright shining institution that the Brits and Canadians have: the QUESTION PERIOD.

Press conferences and Press secretaries in America don't hold a candle to that great institution.

I'm not sure why you think secession always lurks in democracy. Driving forces promoting succession are generally nationalism, tribalism, religion and wealth. Its not usually ideas. I'm also not sure why you think compromise gains a disappointed majority. I think people in a democracy understand that compromise is critical in all aspects of society. Plus, most people don't pay much attention to it. Most people are focussed on the day to day activities of life. People might talk about something like gay marriage, but for almost everyone, it doesn't effect day to day like one iota. Oh, and I think the republican system of government in America is better than the British Parliamentary system.
 

ottawabill

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I honestly find that it's not our system that is so much embarasing as the people in it. The class of politition in this country it very low. The U.S. senate and house are full of people how generally conduct themselves with a certain class and air where as we have shouting school brats who never think as individuals..Caroline Parish is a good example of the type I am speaking about. Doesn't seem so much a proffession anymore but rather "6 years and I get a great pension"
 

Toro

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ottawabill said:
I honestly find that it's not our system that is so much embarasing as the people in it. The class of politition in this country it very low. The U.S. senate and house are full of people how generally conduct themselves with a certain class and air where as we have shouting school brats who never think as individuals..Caroline Parish is a good example of the type I am speaking about. Doesn't seem so much a proffession anymore but rather "6 years and I get a great pension"

This is true but slightly less true of the US. There have always been yahoos, especially in the House. Remember that bozo that wanted to change the name of French fries to Freedom fries. There is a great deal of appeal to baser instincts in the House, especially amongst the GOP Right.
 

Reverend Blair

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It wasn't just one yahoo, Toro. In fact the original yahoo has recanted now that he's seen how inept your heroes are. The thing is that a bunch of yahoos voted with him and they actually did change the name.

you should be ashamed to have anything to do with those people...
 

Toro

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Reverend Blair said:
It wasn't just one yahoo, Toro. In fact the original yahoo has recanted now that he's seen how inept your heroes are. The thing is that a bunch of yahoos voted with him and they actually did change the name.

you should be ashamed to have anything to do with those people...

Your heros: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.

You should be ashamed of yourself Rev.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
They should. No civilian has a purpose for a handgun. You are, once again, incorrect though Toro. You can own a handgun in Canada if you have the right permits.

That is one factor (on a list of several) that made me move south of the border. In a lot of the states here, you don't need to register your handgun. You also do not need to obtain a permit to own one. Plus, the handgun registry process in Canada is in a huge mess.

If you are law-abiding and have not commited any violent crime, there should be no reason one should not be permitted to own a handgun. Being an avid target shooter, I got tired of all the red tape in Quebec in owning a handgun and transporting my handgun to the shooting range. It was completey ridiculous!!! The folks down here do teach their kids how to safely handle a firearm, so the risk of accidental shootings is minimized when looking at the big picture. One thing is for certain, no one will attempt to commit a robbery in my house as long as I am home.
 

Gordon J Torture

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History has shown time and time again that the ruling party does what it wants to do, not what it was elected to do.

That is correct, and that is why an indirect democracy is a total sham. Only when we are ruled by a dictatorship of the proletariat instead of a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie will this malevolent dictatorship of the wealthy come to an end.

why do Canadians continually accept third rate scam artists who are only interested in their party and themselves?

Lack of education. The average voter has no clue.

If you are law-abiding and have not commited any violent crime, there should be no reason one should not be permitted to own a handgun.

There are two reasons supposedly. 1)It is not currently necessary for the average citizen to own a handgun. 2)It is potentially dangerous.

When you put those two reasons together, it seems ridiculous for guns to be completely legal while things like marijuana are not. Hell legalize crack, heroin and everything else if your a gun advocate, because otherwise your a hypocrite. Personally, I think all those things should be legal. In Vancouver are they not dispensing free herion now? ha ... Make that stuff legal, now there goes half the reasons to use a gun for wrong-doing.
 

peapod

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Thats vey interesting toro..you saying that the rev supported Pol Pot...my my aren't we getting desperate now :idea: where exactly did you go to school??

The United States slaughtered somewhere north of half a million Cambodians from 1969-75 and utterly devastated the country.

* Roughly half-a-million to one million more people died from starvation and disease in the following period, due to this devastation.

* The American bombing's destruction of Cambodian society laid the foundation for the rise of the Khmer Rouge.

* Careful studies of the Khmer Rouge period put the number of executions in the range of 75,000-300,000. (This includes U.S. State department intelligence.)

* The United States moved to support the Khmer Rouge and downplay their atrocities towards the end of the decade (when in fact they were at their relative worst).
 

Reverend Blair

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Your heros: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.

Not at all. In fact if you had any grasp of the truth at all, you'd be so ashamed for even suggesting that, that you'd crawl up inside your own asshole and die a coward's death.

You deny truth as a matter of course though, Mr. el toro mierda.
 

peapod

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Listen up people, El toro is just trying to bait us into a bar room brawl...I say don't bite...but its up to you. I am personally relieved that he has moved south, maybe we could trade him for think...
 

I think not

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peapod said:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Listen up people, El toro is just trying to bait us into a bar room brawl...I say don't bite...but its up to you. I am personally relieved that he has moved south, maybe we could trade him for think...

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peapod

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Thata boy torture..I knew you could do it! I found it awful hard myself not to bite...I bite down into an apple instead :p

Not all canadians like hockey think...soccer is much better...yikes I better scram now after saying that...starbucks! a jest! and a good argument.. 8)
 

peapod

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Thata boy torture..I knew you could do it! I found it awful hard myself not to bite...I bite down into an apple instead :p

Not all canadians like hockey think...soccer is much better...yikes I better scram now after saying that...starbucks! a jest! and a good argument.. 8) and the warmth of all my adoring fans. *big sigh* its hard being peapod :p